The Meaning of the Silver in the Tabernacle


Each person, whether you were rich or poor, was required to pay the ransom money of pure silver, every man to pay his half shekel, clearly showing the way of salvation. And this is what's important; we don't pay to be saved; Jesus paid for us. But there's another part of this that shows you clearly each person had to come and bring their own, which means salvation, even for us, is an individual action, not a collective.

Now somebody, “My church, my group,” no, even here showing each person had to come and present themselves presenting their portion. We don't come and present a portion, but we're not saved by a group; we're not saved by a priest. It's individual. You must present yourself. That action of presenting that redemption money keeps that clear and distinct. ♪ ♪ Alright, so we are going to look at something a little bit, we're still within the tabernacle, but it's a little bit different. And this message is almost like a hodgepodge. It falls under one category, but you're going to see there's many subsections.

So don't think, oh wow, she went all over the map. There was thought in this, but it's almost like putting things together, connecting dots, if you will. So I'm starting right now in Exodus 35, if you wish to turn there. “Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD commanded, saying, Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD,” key words here, “whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD: gold, silver, and brass.” Interesting, gold, silver, and brass, those materials, obviously, as I've referenced, gold, the color of divinity or a reference to divinity; silver of redemption; and brass, usually of judgment. And then, of course, the colors, “blue, purple, scarlet, fine linen, goats' hair.” These are all the things that the people would bring, “rams' skin dyed red, badgers' skin, shittim wood,” or acacia wood, “oil for the light, spice, spices for the anointing oil, and for the sweet incense.” And if you keep reading, “And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the LORD hath commanded; the tabernacle, his tent, his covering, his taches, his boards, his bars, his pillars, his sockets, the ark, the staves.” You just keep going and you'll get down to where it talks about even the clothes or the cloths of service; sorry, “and do service in the holy place, holy garments for Aaron the priest, the garments of his son, to minister in the priest's office.

And all the congregation of Israel departed from the presence of Moses. They came, every one whose heart stirred up in him, every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all his service and for the holy garments.” And you could go on if you were going to read this in your own time straight through to the twenty-ninth verse, which it's kind of where I end here, “The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the LORD, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the LORD commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.” Now there's something interesting in this chapter I just read and it's repeated several times.

You'll find it in the fifth verse where it says, “Whosoever is of a willing heart,” and if you read the Hebrew of these words, lev is “heart,” but the word for “willing,” nâdiyb, Strong's 5081, if you're interested you can look it up. But the definition there in the concordance, “free, liberal, noble, prince or princely willing (hearted).” And this word comes from another word. It sounds like nâdab, like one of Nadab and Abihu, the same word, right, from the same root, “to volunteer (as a soldier), to present spontaneously:━to offer freely, to offer, (to make or offer oneself).” So “princely generosity,” if you will, can be found in these passages over and over again. God starts this way. Remember I've been referencing this Exodus 25, “Speak to the children of Israel, tell them to bring Me,” and He specifically, God calls it His offering. He doesn't say it's the priest's or it's the people.

He says it's His offering, but He says, “Speak to the children of Israel, tell them to,” and fill in the blanks. So I'm going to actually flip this, this narrative for a second and show you something in the New Testament. You don't have to turn there. I'm just going to talk about it to show you that a lot of times when we read the Old Testament we get locked into, “Yes, but it was the law”" Well, the law had not yet been given. Now by, by this point that I just read out of, yes, we have, we'll call it the first law had already been given, but in the attempt when God says, “Speak to the children of Israel,” they did not know what the law was.

So I think a lot of times when I mention willful giving in the Old Testament, people automatically assume, “Yes, but they were under some form of a prescription.” No, here it's just basically willful heart, but so that we're clear on what willful heart looks like, it's not under coercion, but it can be under an order. God can say, “I want you to do this,” and the people would still have a choice to not do it. The choice of not doing it probably would result in death, just FYI. But in the New Testament, for example, just don't turn there because they're stories we're familiar with, of what I'd call princely or willful giving. The first one, of course, is probably the most famous one, the woman with the alabaster box, and she pours that gift of the most precious ointment upon Jesus, placed upon Him.

And if you think about it, the commentary that goes around this act, “Why this waste?” which is how the world normally perceives giving: “It's wasteful,” or “Somebody else will do it,” or “Don't give that much.” And we tend to, we'll call it minimalize that gift because the, what the contents of that box would have been very costly, probably the most expensive thing that she owned.

And yet it's poured out upon Jesus, and if you think about it, obviously, as it's poured out upon Him, the same person that would, by the mocking hands of a mocking crowd, bear a crown of thorns, she was pouring this out on Him basically in preparation for His death, with a vision I'm not quite sure that she fully or completely understood. Nevertheless, what she did is memorialized, and it's free, willful, I would even put it as princely giving. There was no rhyme or reason to the world looking on, yet.

She pours this ointment upon Him and somebody might say, “Well, if He's going to die anyway, or He's going to go to die, why would you waste it there?” right? You could do something else with it. That's the world. So very much misunderstood, when we talk about willful giving, princely giving, generous giving in the church, it's always grossly mischaracterized or people will put some spin on it, but God sees the heart. God looked upon that act and she's memorialized for that act in the New Testament. The other one is a nameless widow who Jesus was observing the people casting their money into the treasury, if you will, and many rich that gave; it's not as though He memorialized the rich and said, “Look at how much they've given.

Look at such a great gift they've given.” But to her, He memorialized her giving. She gave the two mites she had basically out of the money she needed. And again, somebody might look at that and say, “Well, you know, that's not real smart or that's not real bright,” but somehow a nameless woman is remembered for her sacrificial giving that's willful; she didn't do it under duress or coercion. And if you think about it, God who looks on the heart sees there was no reservation on the part of this woman to cast what she needed. Not; she didn't have excess, she cast what she needed into the pot, if you will. So when we start to look at princely giving, and I use these New Testament examples for a reason there; we're not applying any law, yet I want you to think of something.

These two individuals I just spoke about, there was also a law in place, right? The law that was the law of the people and the religious law was in place. It, you don't read that either one of these events is marked by somebody saying, “You must.” And I point that out because when we look at the children of Israel, it's easy to think, “Well, but all of these events eventually are going to sound mandated.” Even, you'll hear me talk about this later, even the redemption or ransom money that would have to be paid, the shekel or half shekel; I want you to think carefully about this because we tend to think, “Well, God said, 'I want every man of a certain age to bring this money.'” Do you read anywhere that anybody showed up and didn't? Hmm? Right.

So even though, even when God mandated something, we still have free will. There could have been people saying, “Hell no, I ain't bringing no shekel tax,” right? “And hey, let's see what happens,” right? So there's a point there. Even when there may be a prescribed amount, there still may be the willful submission in obedience to bring it. And I'm sure there was consequence━we don't read that there's consequences for not, but I'm sure that there was. So with that being said, the big question is asked, these people were slaves in Egypt. And okay, we know that livestock can reproduce very easily, right? That's not like; it doesn't take a scientist to figure that out unless you have “they” and “them” problems. But animals multiply, right? Okay, good. So we're on the same page there. Never know these days. So the big question is, when it says, “Take silver and gold and brass and all of this stuff,” they were slaves in Egypt. So you have to go, and I'm doing this for the benefit of people who say, “Well, you know, where did they get all this stuff?” It's; the Bible says where they got it.

You read in Exodus 12 and verse 35, on their way out, “And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they,” the King James says, “borrowed”━“they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, jewels of gold, and raiment.” There you go, silver and gold, “And the LORD gave the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.” Now, I, you know, I, I sometimes do criticize the wording of this. I don't think that they exactly “borrowed,” and I don't think they exact, exactly “lent,” but probably the word “spoiled” is, is pretty close to what we'd, we'd want to figure. So if you're asking, “Where did they get this stuff”" Think about this. If they were slaves in Egypt, they did have some possessions. We're not talking people who were possession-less, but the possessions they had wouldn't have been that great. Now they maybe would have had some livestock, and they may, may have had certain things, but not in the volume that we're going to read required to make the tabernacle.

So a couple of things are, there's the first lesson here that I want to point out. And this one is kind of important because we can read this stuff and never make an application to ourselves, and they want this one to be applied. We always say Egypt and the bondage of Egypt represents sin and the world. So the children of Israel got these riches from, essentially, from the world. The riches came out of the world to be used for the things of God. And you know, you can read this and you can say, “Well, how does this apply to me?” I just gave you an application. We live in the world. We make money in the world. And if you think about it, you can make money and you can worship money, or you can apply the principle that there are things we do out in the world to be applied to God's work.

And this is exactly the same thing. They basically took what God ordered them to do, basically “Get it from where you came from. You're going to 'borrow' from these people, and it's going to be used for My work, the tabernacle where I shall dwell, where you shall worship.” So if you can't make an application right there to Giving 101, because too many people, again, day in and day out, will talk about giving in the church and it always comes back to the same thing, “Well, you know, I don't know how this all applies.” I just told you, money taken from the world applied to the work of God.

The second thing we come across is, obviously, willing hearted, but it says, “Men and women: bracelets, earrings.” And I'm not going to say all bracelets and all earrings, but a lot of these were symbols of their former life as slaves. So they took from the world and the slavery of the world to become, essentially, whether you think of it or not, they're under, they will be under the law, but they will become free by God's liberation.

So God says, “I want you to use these things.” Now whether these earrings and bracelets fully all represent, maybe some of them were decorative and some of them were; but I guarantee you a lot of these represented their former life. So just kind of put that in perspective when we start talking about how the work of God is supposed to function. The next thing we read about, in Exodus 38 there is a reference to; let's see, 38, 38:8 regarding, you remember I just mentioned to you “gold, silver, brass.” And this is to make the? laver, “And he made the laver of brass, and the foot of it brass, of the lookingglasses of the women assembling, which is assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation”" So a lot of these materials would have been used for the self. So here's another one of these that I think is very important. If you want to talk about application of spiritual, worldly, and spiritual things, these people had a choice to love self and to look at, or love looking at oneself, or to be looking at the laver of cleansing, which had a much greater significance.

One is flesh and one is spiritual. It still took, still took these women, I don't think too many men had lookingglasses back then. My, how things have changed. But the women gave up their mirrors, and try again to see there is a concept there of not worshiping self, but worshiping God. So these materials, you know, imagine if you didn't have a mirror, even the brass that they would have looked in would not have been that great of a mirror, okay? You can kind of see, kind of not.

But imagine now you're not going to see anything, but you might be actually able, think about this, if you could even approach that laver of cleansing to see yourself in the reflection of the water, which represents more of the things of God, the cleansing of God than it does of the admiration of self. So there are concepts even within the tabernacle, the, we'll call it the elements that are to be brought, to be offered that carry significance, specifically what I'm talking about is giving here. Then of course, as I was referencing the, the gold, and there's a passage back there in 35, Exodus 35:22, I believe. It has a very strange wording in the King James; 35:22 says, “And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted,” it's being repeated over and over again; I don't know how you could miss that, “and brought bracelets, earrings, rings, tablets,” and now, we're not talking about computers, “all jewels of gold: every man that offered,” this is what's worded strangely, “that offered,” in your King James has an italicized “offered an offering of gold unto the LORD”" If you read that in the Hebrew, very interesting because what it says there in the Hebrew is they basically presented their gold as a wave offering.

You don't read that in the English, but it was a wave offering. And that may not really sound that big of a deal except that there were other things offered and done in wave offering fashion. And I can't help but think that this would be along the lines of, think of it, what's the most precious material even back then that a human could hold in their hands? Gold. Waving that before God, showing God the, we'll call it the value or the greatness of it, and in God's eyes looking down, it representing the divine nature.

Now maybe these people weren't informed of that just yet, but the two colliding together, the act of what it says here that “every man that offered offered an offering,” they were offering as a wave offering. The expressly showing it before God, however you want to say that, has a significance which I think if you want to say whether God was looking down to see what was being lifted up to Him. Now if we were talking about the offerings, which I probably will get into eventually, there's greater significance in detail, and I don't want to get burdened down here, but just to say it's important to recognize there are some nuances here we're not reading in the English that make these just a little bit more special in terms of how they were brought, what was brought and how it was offered.

So as I said, gold, divinity; silver, redemption; brass, judgment, and these are instances of the offerings that I've just kind of read to you. Now gold we know, we're going to find a lot of gold in the tabernacle, a lot of things are overlaid with gold, and there are a couple of items that are pure gold as we discovered going through some of the furniture. Silver is a little bit more interesting and I say a little bit more interesting, there's a lot more diverse pieces of information to put together, so two instances in the Bible where silver is exchanged for life. One of them is Joseph, right, the 20 pieces of silver, Joseph. And the other one is Judas with his 30 pieces for Jesus. It's kind of interesting, silver being the color or the metal of redemption, and only two places where we read about exchange for life, and yet it is peppered through the tabernacle.

The silver that was used in the construction of the tabernacle was taken from the atonement money. Now, I know, please don't go, “Where'd they get the money?” right? I don't want to deal with that one just yet. But write these down, I'm not going to read them, write down these Scriptures, Exodus 26:18-25, Exodus 36:23-30, Exodus 38:25-28, and in the first chapter of Numbers fills in the details of some of the ways that this temple tax or shekel was━not temple tax, that's later, that the silver shekel or redemption money was collected. There would be a census of the people. So the number of men that paid the ransom money, ransom for one soul as the Bible describes it, would have been 603,550 each paying a half shekel, so the total would have been 3,000; sorry, 301, 775; 3,001; 301,775, bleh. All right, most of this silver; you might say, “Well, what's the issue with the numbers?” I'll tell you in a minute. Most of this silver would have been used to hold up the boards. And remember I used in one of the messages back there, I used the word “socket”" or “ankles,” okay? So each board on the exterior wall of the tabernacle would be supported by two ankles, if you want to call them that, of silver.

Each ankle would have been the contribution of 6,000 men, making each board supported by 12,000 men's redemption money. Why is that important? Of course, I'm, I like to mess around with numbers here, so I was looking at that and there, there is something remarkable there. If you take the number of 48 boards times 12,000 gives you 400-and; 576,000, but more importantly, if you divide that by 4, it gives you 144,000, which is an important scriptural number. We'll come back to that maybe. A little dangle there and we move on. All right, so there were 100 talents forming 100 sockets and that would be 171,775 shekels. Each socket, as I said, would bear the ransom money of 6,000 men, so 12,000 holding up for each board. And then if you look at the numbers again, this is why I said it's inescapable, the numbers, the material. So we know 6 being the number of man, 12 if you want the number of divine government, or 6 being the number of man multiplied obviously in the tens, so 1,000, and/or times 2 making 12, adequate witness.

However you want to add it up, I don't care. What's important is at the bottom of everything in this structure, the symbol is redemption, the bottom of this complete structure. Remember, God said, “I want you to make Me a house where I'm going to dwell among you.” And that's awesome. That's amazing that God would deign to condescend to dwell among men, but the whole premise of the Tabernacle, the whole perimeter is routed in one simple concept: at the foundation, redemption, the whole thing.

So it's inescapable. In other words, underneath it all, God can say, “I'm going to come dwell among men,” but it was necessary for this whole thing to be presented for a purpose. God could have said, “I'm going to dwell among men,” but we are unholy, we're unclean, we're━keep adding to the list. So this representation is pretty powerful. And yes, I know in the New Testament we read what Peter says, we're not redeemed by things like silver and gold, but by the blood of Christ. And there you go; if you start looking at it, they didn't have that yet. So you've got the concepts of redemption, the vicarious sacrifices that would be offered. And he goes on, by the way, Peter, to say the, the traditions received from your fathers.

In other words, they could never redeem, but they were pointing to something. And I don't know if I can say this enough and it could be understood enough, but what's sad is that even the New Testament writers, there was no Christianity while all this is being written. Yes, they were followers of Christ, but the faith itself had not yet come to be what we know it today. So the writers, the writers are steeped themselves in Jewish tradition. That these writers could turn around and say, “You're not redeemed with these things, but rather,” it's almost like saying, “For the rest of you, can you not hear what was being said?” And I guess not, right? But anyway, that's a story for another day. So the whole tent itself, you've got the concept of sacrifice, you've got the concept of redemption.

We see that God was not going to miss any opportunity to teach how our approach would be. Remember I said to you, you've got to come to the door, and the door for us is Christ. And from the moment you pass through the door or you're looking at the door, you're confronted with the holiness of God and what's rooted in the ground, which is redemption, silver. So these lessons, you, you kind of, like I said, everywhere you turn, you're confronted with them. Each person, whether you were rich or poor, was required to pay the ransom money of pure silver, every man to pay his half shekel, clearly showing the way of salvation. And this is what's important; we don't pay to be saved; Jesus paid for us. But there's another part of this that shows you clearly each person had to come and bring their own, which means salvation, even for us, is an individual action, not a collective.

Now somebody, “My church, my group,” no, even here showing each person had to come and present themselves presenting their portion. We don't come and present a portion, but we're not saved by a group; we're not saved by a priest. It's individual. You must present yourself. That action of presenting that redemption money keeps that clear and distinct. Now, I mentioned that Hebrew word as I said, nâdiyb, or nâdab, both of those words, “to volunteer as a soldier” is another one of these definitions if you look up the word. And I think this is interesting because these people who paid the redemption money to kind of be encamped around God, God being at the center of everything, I want you to think about this, they also ultimately became part of God's fighting force.

They became; their payment before God didn't make them that, but the word carries the connotation of a soldier, someone who signed up for duty. So just by virtue of them participating, if you think about it, how they encamped, they weren't having a camping trip. Eventually they were going to have to go in as soldiers, as we'll call it the army of the Lord to get rid of the people out of the land. They were fighting or, or designed to basically fight as they went into the land. So don't think they were just camped out there. So the Hebrew word carries meaning just way beyond the act of giving the ransom money. And for us, how that would be applied if for them being encamped around and God is at the center dwelling; Christ becomes the center of our life.

And we read and pick up in the New Testament how basically we are supposed to by faith, one of the passages talks about being a good soldier. That is the warfare that we ensue. We're not here to, I think how some people have depicted Christianity as this, it's like a caricature of what they did in the wilderness. They all got together and they had a Bud Light; just joking. No, they didn't do that actually, but just checking to see if you were asleep, by the way. Some of you are sitting there going, but much like when we come to Christ, or Christ finds us and Christ is at the center of our life, like the center of being in the camp, there is a sense if you're really connected to the word that there's a battle, an ongoing warfare. And that kind of puts every Christian in the framework of being a soldier. So that word nâdiyb in the Old Testament is very much applicable both ways, both for the giving, the presenting, the willful heart, and also as someone who basically is now enlisted or part of a company of people that belong to the fighting forces of God.

Now one more thing about the ransom money that we find in Exodus 30; in Exodus 30, beginning at verse 11, which is where if you read it says, “A Tax for the Tent,” kind of interesting the way that's worded. “The LORD spake unto Moses, saying, When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them.” You know what I find remarkable about this? That word where it says “ransom” is a cognate, if you will, or close relative to the word we looked at last week for Kapporeth, “covering” when I talked about the mercy seat.

This is, that word is attached to that. So it's very interesting that everything that really would pertain to redemption had a connection to this Kapporeth, even in the language. We don't read it in the English that way, but the Hebrew is very clear. Those words are connected, the Kapporeth, kappor, they're all connected. So “every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them when thou numberest them. They shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered a half shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs:)” or gerahs, “and a half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD. Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

The rich shall not give more, the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make atonement for your souls. And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shall appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation”" I cannot repeat that enough. See, again, I really didn't intend for this to be a message on giving. I wanted to talk more about silver, but everywhere you look, you see it clearly. The money collected, there's a purpose for it: “shall appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD to make an atonement for your souls.” And that money, as I said, would have been used primarily for things within the construction of the tent, specifically, as I just referenced, those sockets or ankles at the bottom.

There are other silver items that I will probably reference in a little bit here, but I just think this is pretty amazing, because even here where God says they are to do this, they are to “give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls,” I'm not reading this the way I might have read this 25 or 30 years ago: This was a mandate. Yes, it definitely is, that's what they're supposed to do. But the reason why I say I can't really look at it as a mandate is if God said, “This is so that you might live,” you'd be pretty dumb to not go, “Okay,” right? It's kind of a no-brainer.

And I think that's why we're not reading that somebody said, “No, I'm not bringing my temple tax. I'm not bringing my money,” okay? And this is part of the problem of how we approach the things of God today. There's too many people; remember what I started with; too many people thinking, “I make money out in the world and that's my money,” and they use all these phrases. And yes, that's the way the flesh speaks. But God gave a pattern that what you do out in the world, there should be a purpose for that. We can't, we're not able to live apart from the world. We are, that's, we're surrounded by it. And most of us go out into the world and make our living in the world, but you are to make that living and then you come back and you're looking at the things of God, how to manage your household in a godly way, all the things that can be applied that way.

The same thing is true of things that can be applied to self and the worship of self and self-deification versus those very same things applied to the house of God and the work of God. And again, here, somebody might say, and this is the argument that I, I tell you, I kid you not, if I could just have a recording where I could press and give the answer because it, it seems like every single week there's somebody who will say, “Well, but, but, but, well, the tithes and offerings, that's, that's Old Testament.” And you're completely missing the point.

God said, “I made you.” You know, I love that people say, “Oh, freely give, freely receive,” and everything's, we're just a bunch of hippies. Tell me what was free in your salvation, because it costs something somewhere. It may not cost you, but it costs something somewhere. That's how God says, “This is My way.” And if you can't understand that, I don't even know why you're even bother. When people say, “Oh, you know, well, God wants to bless you”; He does want to bless you. I believe that there are people that come into the church or they come into some good fortune or whatever it is, but they never come to learn the lesson. God will bless efforts. God will bless your hands. God will bless your heart and your mind to be able to be the best at what you do.

But those blessings also come with, do you turn around and recognize God in those things, or is it just about, “I was in Egypt and I got the stuff of Egypt and I left Egypt and while I was on my travels in the desert, you know, I was really blinged out and I had a lot of nice clothes and everybody's complimented me on the way I looked.” And, or when it came time for the service of God, I recognize that these things were granted to me for that purpose. That's always the missing ingredient with modern day giving, people don't get that; and all the arguments that I've talked to you about over the years. So anyway, there's something very unique about this, this ransom of the soul. And that is something that's taken up in the New Testament which can be confused to something else. But I want to show you even where something can be slightly confusing how to make these connections.

Turn with me, if you will, to Matthew 17. It's a passage that people will not understand clearly. And you read it and there's some stuff in there that bears really looking at closely. So this is right after the experience, if you will, of the Mount of Transfiguration, all right. So, I want you to keep in mind that there's a fresh revelation in Peter's mind about who Christ is or what he saw. It says, “When they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?” Now some people think that that's taxes like Roman taxes, but hold that thought for just a minute. “He saith, Yes.

And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom did the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? And Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, cast a hook, take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take and give unto them for me and thee.” So a couple of things to note here, and I'm sorry, there's a lot of sub-things that I have to point out, but it, you missed the message otherwise.

So the first thing is, don't think that this is some Roman regular tax. By virtue of Him saying, “Lest they be offended,” two things, “Of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?” And the answer of Peter, “Peter saith to him, Of strangers.” That tells you kind of cryptically, we're not talking about some state tax. This goes back to some, something if you want to call it of a religious nature, and I'm sure that the tax probably morphed over time and became something, this would be the temple tax, but I want you to pay attention to a couple of things here. The first thing is, look at, in verse 25, look at how Jesus replies to Peter, “What thinkest thou, Simon?” Every time that Jesus goes back to referring to “Simon,” it's usually Simon who slipped back into the flesh. Remember we're talking about his name being Cephas or being known as Peter. So it's interesting that this, in the, in the verse above it says, “They came to Peter.” But when Jesus replies, He says, “What thinkest thou, Simon?” And there's, the questions that are asked almost as if to say, “What were you thinking when you answered them? What was your thought process?” Now, it might not be clear abundantly, but there are two things that, that come to my mind when He says, “Go and get the money and take it and give it unto them for me and for thee.” Now, if it, if we were talking about tax taxes, it would have been “Render unto Caesar,” where He says that somewhere else, but He says, “For me and for thee,” that has to be a religious tax.

That's number one. Number two, as I said, pointing out Jesus addresses him by his old name several times over where he slips back into the, we'll call it the fleshly dumb, “Uh, why are we here, Boss?” mode, okay. He addresses him in that way. And then there's something else that I find kind of interesting, because Jesus replies to him “of strangers?” But listen carefully. Then He says, “Then are the children free.” Well, that kind of makes me think of what Jesus said somewhere else when He says, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” It means anyone who has seen Him who has seen the Father would make you a child of God and not a stranger anymore. And He says, “You go pay the tax, strangers pay the tax. You go pay the tax for me and for you.” So what makes this kind of crazy, Paul explains this a little bit better, and I know this may be a little bit choppy, but bear with me. Paul says, “If we have known God, or rather we have, or we are known of God, we are no longer aliens or strangers, but children and heirs.” So Jesus was making a point here, “Go on and do what you need to do, lest anybody be offended.” But on top of all that, there's a message within the message, which is when He says to “Go, cast a hook,” basically the first fish that comes out, up out of the deep.

Poetically in the Bible, poetically, you see, you'll find it in places like Micah and other place, the depths of the sea is sometimes represented as teeming with life, but also representing death. So out of the depths of the sea, which in this case is being presented as analogous to death, comes the money, the redemption money, or the atonement money, or the temple tax money to redeem. And that's kind of interesting because think about it, the Lord could have just said, at a wave of a hand, “Here's the money, go take it and go.” But the exercise in and of itself almost has a picture attached to it. Why? Because the few verses before this happens, Jesus is talking about His death and Resurrection. I don't think it's an accident when you step away in a bird's eye view to see that when He says, “Go get that money,” coming out of the depths of the sea, being brought up, that that money will be used, what would be analogous to ransom money for the soul, even though Jesus did not need to be ransomed; He was our ransom, as a type showing something in a picture way.

So we can paint all of these pictures, but when you go back to look at the redemption money, even where its placement to the ground, something that had to be in the ground to come up, always is painting the same picture over and over again. It's inescapable that something must be to the depths in the ground, must die, must come up to be redeemed, even in this short, brief picture that Jesus exchanges with Simon Peter. So it's kind of interesting. I like the, the ideas here, but if you go back to look at the temple; or I'm sorry, the half shekel ransom money, it's important to understand something. They had to bring this money, and the money would be turned into something else. And no one would say, by the way, you wouldn't have anybody saying, you know, at the base here, there's the sacrifice of 12,000 men on one board. So you think anybody would walk by those boards and say, “What part of my action contributed to the picture of redemption?” You wouldn't be able to.

It's all put together. It's all blended together. The same thing, we have no part in that. It's all Christ. We come. He lets us come, but we have no part in the action. Now, I know people say, “Well, it breaks down. They had to bring the money.” That's true. God had to start somewhere teaching the lesson. And He does it very well in the tabernacle. Now, if we go back, I need to talk about one more item of silver. And this one doesn't have anything to do with giving. It doesn't have anything to do with a willful heart, but it does have to do with the concept of, we'll call it soldier or presenting oneself.

But it ties into the silver, because I wanted to spend enough time talking about this. So if you want to turn with me, we're going to look at the silver trumpets, because that's a thing that's left out a lot. Let's see if we'll go first to Numbers 10. You remember, I said to you that in Exodus, we have the collection of the shekel, or the half shekel, which undoubtedly would be used for the construction of the tabernacle. Well, we have another census that's taken up. If you want to read that in your own time, which occurs in the book of Numbers, don't turn there. I'm just telling you where it is in case you want to look it up later, Numbers 3. The firstborn males of Israel were counted and numbered. The number of those was 22,273, but something very weird happens. God says, “I'm going to substitute out, minus the 273, instead of it being the total camp, I'm going to put this number towards the Levites,” which is very strange, a very strange substitution, if you will.

And God goes on to say that each of these will be redeemed at five shekels each, after the shekel of the sanctuary, which is shekel is twenty gerahs or gerahs; five shekels each. Kind of interesting, I don't know why there's this drop or this difference, but I suspect, because it is within the book of Numbers, that this collection was used to make the trumpets. We don't read of it, we don't read of them before. So I, I really believe that this is the connection to these trumpets.

Now, this is kind of very interesting. We're looking at people having to bring things, so again, silver is brought and trumpets will be made. Numbers 10, “The LORD spoke unto Moses saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece thou shall make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.” And you stop right there, because He starts out with basically giving the general reason. There are actually two right there, the calling of the assembly and when it's time to get up and march; to assemble at the door and to march.

And then there's going to be four categories additional to that broken down. But why is this important? And I have to do this here so it, it, you make the connection with me. First of all, please do not make the mistake that a lot of people have made when I peruse things, books and articles, people homogenize the shophar, the ram's horn with the silver trumpets. They are two different instruments used for two different purposes, so do not conflate them. For example, we read about the shophar, I think the first time we read about it is in Genesis. This is not a ram's horn. I just read to you, it is two trumpets of silver, and they actually have two distinct Hebrew names.

In fact, if you really want to be technical, there are three different blowing instruments in the Hebrew Bible that are the most prevalent, and they each serve a particular purpose. So this one is spelt out and the question then is asked, are these trumpets, are these the trumpets when we read about in the New Testament, the trumpets for example in the book of Revelation? And the answer to that is, yes, and most likely, but they tie together in a greater picture. So you're going to find, for example, the apostle Paul writes things like, “When the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable,” or 1 Thessalonians 4:16, which basically says, “Once the trump is blown, and then first the dead in Christ shall rise.” So let me talk about our application to the trumpets, not to be confused with shophar. Our application here is anytime the silver trumpets are being referenced, one has to think they are representational here in Numbers.

They're representational for us in a New Testament appropriation to the proclamation of the gospel, a sounding of the horns is a declaration of the word of God. Now I, I'll explain to you why in a minute, but let me break down the four categories because as you break down the four categories, it becomes clear as to why I would say that. Verses 3 and 4 of that same chapter that we looked at, chapter 10 of Numbers, “And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.” So stop right there and recognize one thing. We have here people gathering, that the trumpet, if you will, being the heralder for people to gather at the door before God's representative. We, someone who's preaching Christ, is putting out the clarion call of God for people to gather and assemble.

It doesn't mean that it can only be done through that method, but this application takes you there. So in other words, then God's representative appears and will speak and that's the heralding. Now we can say at a future time, the trumpets being sounded and the people who have not yet heard, they will appear at the door. That means they will appear before Christ. There's all of these applications to be made, make no mistake. Otherwise it sounds like a little bit of a nutty exercise of Doot-doot-da-doo! all right. Even the writer of Hebrews makes clear, “The congregation shall be assembled to this glorious temple not made with hands.” So it's kind of important to kind of tie all these together.

We read then in verses 5-8 that the, the sounding of the trumpets would also be a call to worship and a call to march. Let's see what it says: “When you blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east part shall go forward. When you blow an alarm the second time, the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys. But when the congregation is to be gathered together, ye shall blow, but ye shall not sound an alarm. And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets; and they shall blow; they shall be to you for an ordinance for ever throughout your generations.” So here we have two things, a call to worship and a call to march. And I can say again, think about this in this initial depiction, the trumpets in the New Testament realm right now, the sounding of people basically to walk according to the word of God and the same thing is true in worship.

Why do we gather if we're not opening up the word of God? So there's this constant connectivity, if you will. If you want to go down to the point of where it's going to talk about going to war, which is in verse 9, “And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, you shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.” I want you to think about this for a second. We don't operate in the same fashion, but if you think about it, we do. Ephesians 6 says, “We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers,” the things that are immediately around us, but not necessarily visible, those fighting and opposing forces that, if you want to put it this way, are even able to beguile some of us.

We are not fighting the war like these people were. And in fact, very interesting, there are two recorded episodes only, where the trumpet was sounded at the hand of Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the priest, as a thousand from each tribe went forth to avenge themselves against the Midianites, that's the one. The other one was Abijah and Jeroboam, where the trumpet is blown for war. Abijah was still trying to stay true to the worship of God, and Jeroboam was busy with his idolatry. And the trumpet is sounded, the priest cried out, and the Lord smote Jeroboam. And my, I just wish that God was doing a lot of stuff today like that and I told you, you know, if God would just do one thing for me in my lifetime, He's done so much, I'll never asked for another thing because I've received so much.

But if He'd just open up the earth just for like a millisecond, because there's some people I'd recommend, “You know, you've got to go look at this. That's a nice vacation spot down there. Go check it out.” Whoosh! Okay, so, you know, what's interesting is yes, there will be a day, as Paul describes, where the sounding of a trumpet will summon those, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, and there will be a period. You read it in the book of Revelation, I believe starting at the seventh chapter, where you've got seven trumpets that will be sounded and they all bring about some other dimension of, we'll call it tragedy upon the earth, or punishment, or judgment, sounding, warning.

You know, the word of God is twofold. It's, it is a clarion call to those who will hear, come, receive, and it's also judgment and warning. You don't receive it, you don't hear it, you don't want to know about it. The same word brings life to them and death to others, and that's just what the Scripture says. But what I believe in looking at this passage as we've looked at it, okay, so the silver will be the call of the redeemed. Those trumpets will call, and the people who have heard, and the people who have yet to hear will be gathered. All of these applications, by the way, you could say, well, you know, some of this is a little bit confusing, because, now today specifically, I kind of mixed a lot of things together, but there's one thread that goes through this whole message that is inescapable. As I said, if we're Christians and we are following Christ, or we're described as little Christs, or Christ followers, and the pattern is set, then I'm looking at all the ways that God has described actions, mindset, activity, from summoning the people to take from the world, to bring it into the church, or to the tabernacle, from people saying, “Quit,” God saying to the people, “You can either look at yourself, or you can have yourself cleansed” and be a part of God's program.

Right down to the last of the greatest Sacrifice of all times, which is Christ laying down His life that someone like me might live and have eternal life. So what I'm going to tell you is this picture of the tabernacle with all of its silver, gold, brass, all the colors, all the values, keep me coming back to the same essential message: Christ is at the center of it all. He was always at the center of it all. And to the, to brothers and sisters that I know who are, they can't connect the dots, as I said, I'm praying for you to see the light. But for those who do, go back and read and parse even verse by verse to see how this applies. Last but not least, if you read that in the tenth chapter, it says, “Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, in the beginning of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings,” those, what's called a Holocaust offering, fully offered to God, “and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.” Even on the occasion of offering, the trumpet was blown, as if to say, these two things have never been anything but tied together, the declaration of the good news of the gospel and people's memorial, sacrificial, day in and day out, weekly or monthly, whatever you do, giving.

It's right there. So for all those people that like to say, “I don't see it,” I can't help you. But for those who do who can see all the dots connected, and we've got a lot more to dig into, but at least today you've got another dimension of the tabernacle, specifically focusing on silver, and the concepts attached to it. And I hope that somewhere somebody says, “Yeah, I'm beginning to see the dots being connected,” but I'm going to keep still working on those who can't just yet quite see it, because I believe once you do, you can't un-see it.

That's my message. You have been watching me, Pastor Melissa Scott, live from Glendale, California at Faith Center. If you would like to attend the service with us, Sunday morning at 11am, simply call 1-800-338-3030 to receive your pass. If you'd like more teaching and you would like to go straight to our website, the address is www.PastorMelissaScott.com.

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1 Corinthians 15, Luke 16 – Don’t Fear Death


foreign [Music] one day we're all going to be dead period I will be dead too everybody has a time I don't care what science is coming up with in fact I'm a firm believer that if the world keeps going the way it's going some of the Fulfillment of the Book of Revelation sang a third of the earth Earth's population has to die maybe even started already I don't know if that's part of it or not I can't say I don't want to speculate just saying so somebody who doesn't want to talk about death and I've met people like oh God I can't talk about that it means the resurrected life and understanding of the resurrected life has not penetrated into your soul what do you mean I'm saying exactly what I mean here go back to the disciples their beloved master who foretold of his death multiple times over and of course while he was alive no no no be it far from me no no this can't happen right they didn't understand but how is it that after he died Rose and ascended they were able to go out and talk about his death they talked about his death in light of the Resurrection the Ascension and his return and the scriptures abundantly clear Jesus was the first goer the first of his kind which means anyone who calls himself a Christian following Christ will follow in his footsteps which means when we read death has no more sting over the believer that's what it means it doesn't mean that losing a loved one is not going to hurt it will that's the flesh part and trust me I know there are a lot of widowers in the sound of my voice it does not take away the sting it does not take away the absence or the void it does not but what it does do is it lets you look at the reality that person devoted to Christ Christ is not a liar if Christ said basically I am the first goer and you're following him you too shall follow as he did that means you too will enjoy the resurrected life now somebody who has not got the mindset I don't care what you think there isn't some playing tiddlywinks when the end comes let me show you something I know I haven't opened up the scripture very much but let me show you something that has an impact for me in Luke 16 the passage about the rich man and Lazarus and and if you read this with the eyes I'm speaking about it'll really make sense to you a certain rich man clothed in purple fine linen fared sumptuously every day and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus which was laid at his gate full of sores Desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table moreover the dogs came and licked his sores it came to pass that the beggar died and was carried by the Angels into Abraham's bosom the rich man also died and was buried and in hell he lifted up his eyes being in torments and seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom cried saying Father Abraham have mercy on me send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue frame and torment in this flame but Abraham said Son remember that thou in thy lifetime receiveth thy good things and likewise Lazarus evil things just for a little footnote Lazarus received evil things what does that mean it means probably that he suffered he probably didn't have money he probably grappled with a lot of things that we grapple with that's evil things whatever that is but now he is comforted and thou art tormented in other words you spent your time here on Earth pleasuring yourself with the pleasures of this Good Earth but not paying attention to God and what comes next is what I want you to focus on and besides all this between us and you there is a great Gulf fixed so they so that they which would pass from hence you cannot neither can they pass from us basically if you understand this and all the other things that are said about heaven and hell there is a Great Divide there is a chasm the resurrected mindset fixed on Christ understanding we too shall rise that there are sometimes we'll call them mild or light afflictions which Paul talked about which are only for a Time don't think because Something's Happened to you that God isn't with you actually it usually might be a sign that God is with you that he's letting certain things buff at you just like he did to many of the people in the book but it drives home the point there is a Great Divide between those who have a changed mindset towards death dying in the resurrection versus those who may have heard it but are indifferent don't care couldn't be bothered by it Great Gulf fix so you know you might say well that's pretty terrible but if you think about it and if you believe the proofs Jesus is the tangible proof and so many times in the book it says to him that overcometh death so you know I'm thinking to myself there is something to be said there in our understanding you are either fearful of that it brings about fear it brings about the shiverings that's the flesh the spirit says when is my time I'm going to go be with the Lord I don't exactly know 100 what exactly that's going to look like but that's what I'm told multiple times over that makes for good doctrine that makes me stand on that rock to say that's that [Music] [Music] said goodbye coming to this house

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How to Release Fears and Traumas with Hypnosis

 Alright, we are living. Welcome, guys. Welcome to the journey within It’s a journey of deconstruction and reconstruction of death and rebirth and today, I’ve got a very special hello hypnotist the founder of Twin Ravens Hypnotherapy and Research J Robert, Parker, In The House. Thanks for having me, man. Thank you. Thank you, dude. I think this will be a fun conversation cuz I mean, we. Absolutely. We both study hypnosis and I’d be very interested to get your perspective, you know, and how you got into this. So, um yeah, if you can share a little bit about who you are, how did you even get into this strange world of hypnosis? Uh, that’s an odd story. Um so, previously before the pandemic had been working as a chef uh that restaurant was actually where I met my partner. We did the stereotypical line cook ends up with the waitress thing. Interesting. And uh the the pandemic hit. And I had kinda seen the writing on the wall long before it had an effect. Long story short, you’ll say we both ended up out of jobs and it failed me to kinda pull something out of my bag of tricks to make money. I live in a very, very small town and there’s not a lot of ways to go about that. So, I ended up reading tarot cards professionally. And I was making a pretty good living doing that. And I noticed that I was reading people’s fortunes so to speak. And more using the archetypes of the tarot cards. Uh reframe their problems to them and help change their perspective And I got a lot of satisfaction out of that. And I started looking into what is a way that I can do only that. Uh and of course in an abnormal way. That I can do that cuz why not? And the Facebook algorithm. uh that one random point but HMI in front of me. previous to that, I hadn’t had any experience with hypnosis. I wasn’t even sure if it was real. I was in that camp And I talked to someone from admissions and they intrigued me. I figured why not give it a shot? This seems very interesting. And I think I was about two classes into 101 before I got my mind blown. The first time I saw the physiological responses of hypnosis. The things that can’t be faked. That is just reactionary. it just blew my mind. And then eventually I got to perform hypnosis and then, eventually, I got to experience it and that was a profound thing because uh going to that school, taught me a lot about myself and one of the things I came to learn is uh a lot of what I considered to be unusual behavior in myself. Uh wasn’t and a lot of what I consider to be unusual behavior in others, was it? I was just very extreme on one end of the suggestibility scale and I remember in class, they were explaining the traits of the intellectual suggestible of it’s like, oh, cool. That’s me and I took the suggestibility test and I scored like, eighty-two, my first time I wanna say. Jeez, man, that’s such an interesting thing because you’re, I mean you’re so rare and for you to be in hypnosis and experience hypnosis, uh I’m curious like who hypnotized you and how do they do it, right? Because you’re like the hard type. it was actually in a practice and it was with somebody I mean, I guess I should mention, this guy named Paul Villa Real and he’s since graduated, I believe. And uh, I told them what my suggestibility was and he said, cool. Can I try something? And he did what’s called an auto dual induction and that was the first time that it happened to me and that got me. It got me well enough that the next day, I wrote my custom version of that script uh based upon what worked for me and that was a very unusual thing because Previous to that, II did most of my experience with trance with self-hypnosis. Like, I can kinda help people along whenever they’re practicing on me because I was very aware of that state in myself and where I’d been there in the past, all that stuff. but in terms of outright just being hypnotized by somebody, uh that was the first time, and uh That was profound. Uh, the things that I learned and saw in that first time still kind of uh guide a lot of what I do for my clients. Because one of the things cuz I don’t remember too much of what was addressed. But one of the things that stands out to me as I was introduced to the future version of myself like 5 years in the future or so And that was profound to me. And that person that I saw kind of sticks out in my head and every day I think about what I can do to get to that point. And I have used that to a very great therapeutic effect with certain clients. Uh, I got the specialization in transgender hypnotherapy And one of the things I found with my transgender clients is that that class made me realize so much that it wasn’t just a psychological thing that it was a it was a physiological thing. And in that, that means that your brain is telling you that you look one way. And what you’re seeing in the mirror is telling you something very different. What if you were able to meet who you know you are? What if you were able to meet the person that looks how you know you’re supposed to look? And I find that having that, giving that to that person is substantial to their sense of self and their sense of well-being. Interesting. So, that does sound intriguing for so for someone who is, you know, they’re looking to meet their future, you know, 5 years from the future self. How how can we do that? Um, do you do that through self-hypnosis? Is this a visualization? Um. Um. Visualization. Visualization. I tend to use the LAL. Uh the uh for anyone listening that doesn’t know what that is. It’s a type of hypnotic induction or deepener where you start at a certain floor on an elevator and go down. The elevator opens and you meet this person and I make no attempt to describe this person. It is simply you in advance and II tell you to notice how this person looks, how they hold themselves, how they smell, like how, how they and depending on your suggestibility is kind of how profound that experience is. I um I don’t get hardly any visualization. Uh, I get weird flashes. Uh, I can’t smell anything. I don’t get anything auditory but I get a very heavy kinesthetic response. Uh. Interesting. Fuel things. Yeah. In imagination, right? In hypnosis. It’s not like you can’t smell things right now. Yeah. In the context of hypnosis. Right. Um. feel like if you tell me to walk downstairs, I will like to feel the stairs under my feet and things like that. That’s fascinating. Okay. So, uh for people who are listening, they’re like no idea like suggestibility type, intellectual, physical, you know, you know. Maybe like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cuz like we know, we know exactly what we’re talking about cuz we’re from the same college but um I mean, you break that down and uh yeah. Yeah, just go from there. Okay. Well, you’re the host. Why don’t you explain suggestibility to your audience? I’m Good, man. I could, I could. So, I was like, yeah, why not and you can critique me. But I’m not the one So as you, like you were saying, right, we’re all, first of all, we all can go into hypnosis. That’s a very, very natural state. And um, we, but we’re just on this kind of this uh, scale of suggestibility and some people do better with certain suggestions. versus others, and I lean towards kinda where, where you’re at, where it’s like, we do the, the indirect stories, and then on the other side is the very more paternal, hey, you’re gonna feel this, this is gonna happen, you are now in hypnosis, X, Y, Z, right? And that still does, that can work for me and you know, for others, but, not honestly for you, right? Cuz you’re, you’re very objectively something. If you are literal with me, you just hit a brick wall. Yeah. So I mean like go ahead. Go ahead. I respond very well to stories and um that is so my entire life like I literally when I was a teenager my friends used to text me and just say tell me a story. I just make something up. And to this day if you tell me to make up a story, I can. Like, just off the top of my head. And I uh, a big revelation and it was initially thanks to the man that uh ended up being my mentor. uh, Joe Burns. Oh, dude. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, and he told me, to throw the script away. Don’t work off script and I took that to heart because it’s much more intimate and so now, that’s what I do. I make up stories. Those same stories that I used to make up for my friends. I now just make up for clients that a lot of the paperwork that I have them do uh for their life history and the um the questions that I ask and the initial consultation and session are kinda getting to know like what story you wanna be told, how you want your story told, and for example, I have a client who recently came to me and this person is a software engineer. Uh a somnambulistic software engineer nonetheless and II just decided because this came at a time in my career I become very frustrated with pre-written scripts. Like I had thrown one away in the middle of a session. Hm. And those three sessions that I had that day I told myself like I’m not gonna prepare a script. I’m gonna figure out my inductions. I’m gonna ask some questions. And I’m just going to make myself go. And I did. And those were three of the best sessions I’ve done. And what I end up doing with the software engineer is I spoke to them with metaphors of code, visualizations of computers, and debugging. And um, Sure enough, that that that safe place in their head was represented as a computer bank. what the way they perceived that computer bank uh mandated where I took that therapy. Just to kind of adjust their visualization. And that’s had fantastic results. Right. So, it’s like when we tailor the therapy to the individual client who’s gonna have, you know, a different background. They’re gonna have different metaphors and um now, this is good cuz um the way I explain like the unconscious and the conscious is that the unconscious is just the realm of metaphors and emotions and it that that seems to be the reason why uh we humans love stories. It’s all. Yeah. Metaphors. Exactly and I ask people. One of the examples I give is, have you ever watched a movie and gotten angry or sad or happy? Uh based on what was on screen. Of course, the answer is inevitably yes. Yeah. So, yes, why? You consciously, logically know that you are watching a falsehood. You know these things aren’t happening. So, why do you feel these emotions? And the answer is that. Your subconscious does not differentiate fact and fiction. It’s a metaphor. It’s a and that’s all it sees that’s well, everyone but the high physicals. Uh, the high physicals don’t tend to dig the metaphor or anything like that. You just gotta tell them how they wanna be and it’s fine but uh for everyone else, it’s and at this point, because of this mentality I’ve taken with my I guess be hypnotic storytelling. Every time I watch a movie now or read a fiction book. I start noticing ways that I can retell that story for different applications or specific scenes. One of the most amazing movies I’ve seen recently is uh have you ever seen that Disney movie Inside Out? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Yup. Have you seen it recently? No, that was like, wasn’t that like a decade ago? Yeah. You should rewatch that. Uh mental health professionals helped write that movie and it is still used in the mental. Well, that makes so much feel today. Yeah, that makes so much sense, dude. Yeah. When you rewatch it, with knowledge of the subconscious and metaphor It’s it blows your mind. So, okay. There’s that scene where they enter the subconscious and the critical mind is represented by those two idiot guards. And how do they pass by the critical mind? They confuse it. That’s my hat. No, that’s my hat. Wow. They do a confusion abduction to get rid of the gatekeeper of the subconscious. And more than, when they’re actually in the subconscious, and this speaks to a lot of what I say about fear. One of the first things they see is a giant vacuum cleaner. Um because the way that girl’s subconscious remembered that is because the way we remember our fears is in that moment in time. Frozen at that moment in time. So to that fear and that perception. That’s a giant vacuum cleaner because she was very small when she got that fear. And that has a lot to do with how I address fears and hypnotherapy. Because one of the things I stress is when we have a fear or a trauma which I argue is the same thing because we’re not afraid of something and we as we’re traumatized by it and if we’re traumatized by something, we have a fear. And what I it’s all where it happened at the time. For example, if you became afraid of a vacuum cleaner as a baby or a very small child, the vacuum cleaner would appear much larger because according to your memory and your perception, which cannot be changed until it’s addressed in hypnosis, that thing’s giant or maybe you were bitten by a dog when you were a child and you remember it as just Kujo, some giant, hell hound that almost tore your ankle off because it was so intense and traumatic. Where and hypnosis, maybe it’s just a Jack Russell Terrier that bit your ankle. Hm. When you were 6 years old and you had the emotional intelligence of a 6-year-old. So, you’re going to retain that memory as a 6-year-old until you readdress it and allow that person to uh gain a new subconscious understanding and association of that event. So, I’m gonna try to play advocate here and say, okay, I get it that, you know, when we were six, maybe we’re scared of a vacuum cleaner cuz it seemed very big or a dog or whatnot and we had to distort perception, right? But now that we’re adults and that we have developed our prefrontal cortex and our reasoning and now, we can go and we can experience that, you know, dogs are generally safe for the, for the most part, and happy and man’s best friend, or the vacuum cleaner, you know, it’s fairly harm is. Right and so uh why can’t we just maybe um do a little bit of exposure therapy, a little bit of cognitive behavioral therapy, and just say, hey, this is uh, this is false, this, you know, you can, sometimes. Um, and it depends on how traumatic the memory is. And really, a lot of the way that fears are addressed in hypnosis has to do with uh, desensitate, desensitization, that the same things you would do in the physical world you can do mentally. If you were afraid of dogs rather than go so far as to address that fear live and in person with the dog you could go through that same process of consciously and realize that you have control over that emotion. There’s uh as you know there’s something called circle therapy. Where in hypnosis you are presented with a fear or an anxiety and you are asked to recall that fear and the emotions associated with that fear. Consciously. So, you bring it up on purpose. And then it’s at the same time you tell them to bring it back down. And the purpose of this is for one, every time you tell them bring it back up. It’s a little less. But they gain the understanding that your emotion and your reaction is under your control. The way that you choose to react to this fear is 100% under your control. And once there is that realization, fear tends to fade. or it’s not yours. Uh, that’s an interesting thing I’ve encountered before. What do you mean? Oh, it’s not yours. just that. Um so, I did uh a podcast couple of months ago. Uh about fear. It was called fear. It’s run by two clowns and they were interviewing a German spy who had a fear of heights. And I uh and this is on my website by the way. Everything I’m about to say you can listen to this interview. But this person, this man, um not the shy away from it. He’s a government killer. Like he is what he did. He was in special operations. He went into places he couldn’t talk about and did things he couldn’t talk about. He was afraid of heights. As unusual as that is. And uh this was all done in about twenty minutes. I transit him. I took him back to that moment on the plane. Cuz he got that fear from his first training jump when he was seventeen. And in the process of just walking him through that moment. He realized something. That he had forgotten about until that moment in hypnosis obviously, this person was a very high physical. So, they said they could feel the vibration of the engines. They could smell the gas on the plane. They were there. Um, the kid that jumped before him screamed in terror and he went from being fine and calm to terrified. But he didn’t remember that. And so at this moment, he realized that this fear he had been carrying for decades wasn’t even his and I called him out of a trance, and within 5 minutes of that, he was hanging off the side of a balcony. Saying like, I don’t feel a thing. Huh. So, yeah. This is all in hypnosis. Yes. Um. And not the balcony thing. Yeah. That’s what’s interesting. So, he remembered in hypnosis the um. The other kind. Where’s my cause? Just got scared. And it wasn’t even his fear that that kid’s fear transferred to him and before he had time to process it, he was kicked out the door. So, this entire time, he’s been perceiving this event as his fear when as you know, if we’re around someone afraid or scared or happy, if but for a short moment, we feel that before we process it out as not ours but what if you didn’t get that chance? What if you feel that fear and before you could be like, man, that kid was scared. Somebody’s grabbing you by your collar being like, your turn. and he just perceived that as his fear. So, yeah, fear didn’t belong to him. Wow Yeah. So, I’d be curious um on your philosophy when it comes to trauma, right? So, for that particular case, I guess he just, he was able to kinda remember and and and bring up that unconscious material and then, oh, hey, this is not my fear. Um but do you think for trauma? Before we even get to that, what do you mean when you say trauma? Trauma is any event. leaves an impression later down the line. Usually negative. Uh, I guess it should be specifically negative. Um, something that leaves an imprint, something that uh like, okay, this would be just seen in the movie Inside Out. Trauma is when a negative memory becomes a core memory. that that it becomes a core memory is an aspect of your personality. So, it’s. Oh. Whenever something negative becomes a core aspect of your personality. Because of course, we all go through negative things but what if that negative thing is so extreme or its perception is so extreme that it formed every opinion and perception that you had after that event because it was a core part of your personality? Hm. That’s why that movie’s so good. Like, dude, I need to rewatch. You do. I took notes. I’ve got notes somewhere on that damn movie. Well, yeah. I feel like I’ve matured so much since then and then with the knowledge of hypnosis and now, parts therapy. So, I don’t know if you ever heard of uh internal family systems or any kind of parts therapy. I’m sure you, I mean, we, it’s, it’s been mentioned here and there in the college. Yeah. But um yeah, it’s so amazing now that I’m in like parts therapy and I’m sure it would, you know when you see all the different emotions like, oh, that makes so much sense. Like, yeah, we have all these different parts of us that sometimes different things and it gets into conflict, you know? So. One of the things that I’ve really kind of come to realize through doing this work and that I tell all of my clients is we are all at our core children. We are all scared eight-year-old kids. We’ve kind of got that cuz that’s when we form our core beliefs from zero to eight. So, by the time we’re eight, that’s our core self. Yeah. And that, that you, all exist and that what it means to be an adult is to learn how to parent yourself. How to parent your inner child. And that’s a perspective that I ask a lot of my clients to take. Because II asked them especially the ones that have children. Like the way, you talk to yourself. When you talk to your child like that. Yeah. But is that the way your parents talk to you? if you didn’t like that, why are you continuing to treat yourself like that? Why, why don’t you give yourself that same understanding? Because what, think about it. We all wanna stay up later than we should. We all wanna eat **** that we shouldn’t but we have that voice in our heads. Like, no, you have obligations in the morning. You have to get up or you know, that’s gonna upset your stomach or whatever have you and it’s the same things you tell a child but you have to tell yourselves. So, the way that you speak to yourself in that regard is very important. Yeah. Um what I’ve realized at least for myself, is that there’s even more than one inner child. Yeah. You know, there are lots of parts of us um that that have different goals and different perceptions and might get, you know, yeah, might get into fights or something. Um and so, it’s not even just the inner child but like, how do we parent all the different parts of us and realize that there is no bad part? You know, you wouldn’t call a child bad. You just would. Exactly. You know. Um, re-educate them. I heard something. I can’t remember if it was in class or in something I was watching. But it said that everyone has good intentions. Yeah. Everyone. No matter how evil or messed up. If anything there are always some manner of good intentions at their core. Yes. It could be wildly misperceived. It could be a mental illness. there are always even, even crimes of hate, even when somebody murders someone else, they’re trying to satisfy something in them. They’re trying to make something in them go away. So, they’re trying to take care of themselves. Yup. Or they feel some weird obligation to fulfill. It’s all manner of reasons but all all of these things boiled down to. They are for themselves or someone else or whatever have you. It’s good intentions. Just like your subconscious Yes. Always has your best intentions in mind. Even with traumatic things. Even with bad reactions. It is still just trying to protect you. Yeah. Just trying to preserve its homeostasis. It’s normal. yeah. Now, that’s powerful. And I think when we understand that, you know, I think sometimes we can like vilify the subconscious or vilify these different behaviors but they’re all serving some kind of purpose. So, you know, if you’re, if you’re traumatized, it’s trying not to get you into that painful situation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, if you have crippling anxiety, it’s you’re subconscious, it’s your mind trying to protect you. You just have this fear reaction that’s out of control. And It’s there’s a lot to be said in terms of healing just for the awareness of that. So much of my work and especially my breakthrough work with clients has been through subtle changes in perspective. And that’s it. It’s not much more than that. It’s sometimes there are some changes to behaviors or thoughts changes. But a lot of it has to do with um the way you look at a situation, how you perceive it, why you think this way, why you think this way about yourself Although it’s stereotypical in therapy, I find myself asking the question, why are you feel that way? Where does that come from? A lot. Right. And there’s always something. There’s always another layer deeper until you get to that aha moment. And you can tell whenever something has left their mouth that even they didn’t think of. They’d never even made that association before. And just by having that come into their conscious mind by being able to consider that logically. You’ve already gone so far in that healing. It’s like when we raise our awareness and take different perspectives, then, behaviors start to shift. Well, it’s like uh I’m not a big NLP guy but there are some aspects in neuro-linguistic programming that I like and one of those is the mindfulness aspect. The idea of being aware of what you’re thinking. Uh taking control over your thoughts. I thought Joe did a very good example when he talked about how he was crossing the road and he started getting this perception of these men in this car at this crosswalk about how they wanted to do him harm and he started getting anxious about this imagined situation and he stopped himself and he forced his thoughts to something ridiculous. I forgot what he said he pictured those guys in this car doing but immediately changed his thought pattern. Yeah. And he was able to just walk away and he looked back and he said, they’re just both on their phone doing nothing. And that’s right. He’s told me that story too. That’s right. Yeah. And II love that story. It’s hilarious But it’s a very good example. Because so so often we let our thoughts kinda run out of control. And it does us some good to stop and think like why do you think that? Why are you thinking that way? Why? Why do you believe like there’s something to be nervous about in this situation? Where is that coming from? Hm. All your trail back. Figure out why you’re nervous. So we’re so for somebody who likes you asked them that like oh why are you nervous? Why are you afraid? And they’re like I don’t know. No idea. Well. What? How did you ask? Mhm. What makes you nervous? How do you feel when you’re nervous or afraid? Um did you, were you always afraid of this? If you weren’t always afraid of this, when’s the last time you remember not being afraid of it? When is the first time you remember being afraid of it? most time in my experience, people haven’t taken that logical path back. They just stop with, I don’t know. They it’s that self-examination is difficult. Um, a good example of this is I had a client that said that They wish that they were able to perceive themselves as others perceive them, as strong as others perceive them and I said, well, why don’t you think you’re strong? got into a car wreck and I felt like I could have done better and I felt like I failed. Why do you feel like you failed? Well, because I couldn’t be there when my grandfather died. and there was just this dawning realization when they said that. And I was like, you never said that out loud, have you? No. There you go. So, that is currently on the table for the next time and uh it’s just a good example of just keep following the path back. If you do, there there’s always a reason for the behavior. It’s never an I don’t know. There’s an I don’t want to remember. There’s uh I choose not to know but. Yup. There’s not a mystery. There’s always a reason that Could be had through questioning, figuring out when and where, and all of that. Yeah. Yeah. So, I’m curious cuz there are different schools of thought and not even hypnosis but in therapy that maybe, hey, don’t go back to the cause.  You know, that’s just bringing up things that um that don’t necessarily need to be brought up or you can retraumatize people. X, Y, Z, focus on the solution, focus on the future, and more of like the positive thinking kind of approach. Um, I’m curious about what your thoughts on that are. It depends on the trauma Uh if it’s something like that they view as very grievous, it is something bad. I don’t ever ask people what their traumatic thing is. Like, you can just tell me that something bad happened in 2,000 seven. And that’s all I need to know. Uh, beyond that, all I, with, with that, I will, there’s a couple ways. But you, there’s no direct reexperience. You don’t take them back and make them live through it again. It’s antithetical to the goal. What you do is you take away that association. You make that not a core memory. They don’t focus on the events. They focus on the resolution. And the letting goes after that resolution. There’s a method that I very much enjoy that involves having them perceive this event on a screen. And they fast forward and rewind and fast forward and rewind until all that exists before the event and after the event. that that association is. And then after you establish that, you let them let go of that memory, of that association. And Trauma is very dependent on what happened. And uh sometimes it’s dependent upon um my referral. Because many times whenever it’s complex trauma uh I’m speaking to them on referrals from a mental health professional. Mhm. And a lot of it has to do with my communications with that mental health professionals. Whatever you learn. You know you’ve done. What do you need to be done? Um, it’s very important if you do find yourself working with uh medical doctor or mental health professional to get on the same page with them. Like involve yourself in that client and have them help you, help them, help that client. It’s a team effort at that point. It’s so dependent because II work with people with combat PTSD. I have uh postpartum depression. It’s just a matter of where this trauma and negative behavior come from. Often, uh with the combat PTSD, it’s always really heartbreaking to do those and I’m very happy that I get a chance to work with those men and women. there’s a lot that’s, for example, like what they’re not allowed to feel. Because you’re expected to, I literally soldier on. Hm. And there comes a time that that’s not a thing anymore. That you have to address what has happened to be able to heal. And I see a very similar thing in combat veterans that I see in people who suffer from trauma. they’ll go back to the closest safe save point in their head Uh it’s usually sometime when they’re a late teenager or soldier. It’s generally seventeen, or eighteen. And they’ll start adopting the traits that age. because they have all of these traumatic memories from older when they were older. So, it seems like psychologically, they just go back to the last time they were safe and untraumatized because it’s no longer safe to be an adult and I see that repeated time and time. Yeah, it’s. Wow. Interesting yeah, it must be very, very difficult to work with. Yeah, people who experience extreme, extreme trauma. Mm-hmm. So. I’m glad you are. But it’s one of those things like, once I realized what hypnosis was capable of and what it could do I kinda felt obligated to offer my services to them because it doesn’t matter what you think politically. It doesn’t matter what you think about war or the war or soldiers, the government, or anything like that. It has to do with these are deeply traumatized people who not getting the care and resolution that they need. I just feel obligated that if I have this toolset that allows me to give them that resolution, I should, that it doesn’t matter anything at all if I’m anti-war, pro-war, anti-government, pro-government, none of that. None of that matters. It’s just people. It’s just men and women who have seen things and done things that no one should be asked to see or do. And that’s it. That’s all it is. I’ve had a chance to see a wonderful change in those people because so much of it is it’s just difficult for them to deal with that, to face that. Whatever it is that they see. to do that is profound. To give them a safe place to do that. That is guided and secure. And it’s an interesting thing that for some reason people are hesitant to seek out psychotherapy. I have no problem with hypnotherapy. That. Really? Yeah, and I don’t know why that is. it’s fine and generally, I will encourage someone that if this isn’t something that they’ve seen a therapist for and they need to in the process of things, just be like, okay, now that we’ve kind of helped you through this, you need to consider bringing on someone else as well.

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And therapy isn’t the cure-all. It’s great for a bunch of things but sometimes you need other stuff. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, like, the way I see it is to attack it from every angle. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Yeah. There’s no reason not to bring in everyone who could help. Yeah Perfect. So, uh I’m just going back to um you know, how you got into hypnosis and you talked about, you know, self-hypnosis and I’m sure that that has helped you and I mean, it’s helped me. I think it can help a lot of people where they can just utilize this modality, get over, get over some fears maybe, you know. Absolutely. I’m curious how, how you do self-hypnosis and what’s worked for you. So, that’s changed recently Longest time I did it as we were trained. And uh one of the things I’ve started to focus on recently. my self-hypnosis work and with my clients is nostalgia. This weird thing that exists in our minds seems to be separate from everything else. And what I do to self-hypnotize now is II focus on one of my far-off memories. Like one of my distant distant nostalgic childhood memories. Now form that as solidly as I can and just start doing breathing exercises. And focusing on that nostalgic moment and gets me right into a trance every time. Interesting. And do you think that would work with other intellectual suggestions? You know, high E note? Uh, I have clients that nostalgia has started to become a major part of our work. Because, um, I don’t even know how to define it. It doesn’t exist in a space like other memory. It’s it’s different. It’s more intense. It’s standard memory. It doesn’t have that feeling that’s associated with it. And I don’t know what that feeling is. Um actually, that’s one of the things that I want to focus on the most with research as that’s what nostalgia is and what its uses are about hypnosis. Yeah. Um and it’s, I’ve already started using it with a few clients, this notion of focusing on intense nostalgia to facilitate trance and I’ve had very good effects. Yeah. Well, that’s that reminds me of Erickson and I’m sure you know his story by the way, for people that are watching that and not familiar with Eric’s uh Milton Erickson, he was one of the greatest hypnotherapy of all time and did very indirect, artfully, vague, lots of metaphors and stories and god just brilliant results as a genius and um you know, when he was younger, he had polio, couldn’t move, thought about a memory of when he could and then all of a sudden 30 minutes later, he found himself Maybe. Well, that’s why a lot of the clients that I’m working with nostalgia are my clients that have self-perception issues and self-confidence issues Because nostalgia exists in a point of pure happiness. You don’t have negative nostalgic memories. Really? And yeah. This nostalgia by its very definition is positive. Huh, and it’s it may or may or may not be true because memory sucks but it doesn’t matter because your perception of that memory is nothing but positive. Nothing but happy. And so by recalling these memories, you’re able to recall this happiness. Uh, one of the more interesting bits of homework. That I’ve given my clients is uh sometime between now and our next session. Go on YouTube and look up an hour of old commercials or old cartoon intros from your childhood or something Like that. Um. Cartoon Network. Yeah. Something. I’ve uh I spent like 2 hours one night just watching intros to cartoons from the nineties. Like that’s it. And I’ve kind of become very focused on it. I very much love that sensation of nostalgia. I think it’s important therapeutically. That’s kind of why I put so much effort into exploring it myself. Yeah. Uh, Anytime I have like a nostalgic memory or thought, I kind of try to capture that and examine it and like figure out what I could do to bring myself back to that time and just that ponder ance alone has a hypnotic effect And I don’t know what it is about where nostalgia exists in the memory. it’s its present. there is an odd field of science. That’s kind of coming up now. That’s the quantum sciences. And there are some individuals doing work right now. or up to it including hypnosis that are fascinating. Um, the main person I’m speaking about is this guy named Doctor Dean Raiden who is the head of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. And yep I heard of them. Uh, he wrote a book called Real Magic. That is the scientific research and analysis behind certain processes. Like ESP whatever have you. Um, and it’s done strictly from the view of science and research. And These things are related to hypnosis because if the institute can be said to have any goal or direction, it’s consciousness research. Why? What are we? Why are we? I kind of think. Yeah. And the book doesn’t answer any of those questions but this book does provide uh an interesting indication of the direction of science and what we’re looking at in the next twenty years. One of the most fascinating things uh about living in this time certainly isn’t the plague or climate death but uh there is a concept called the singularity and there’s a version that exists in AI and there’s a version that just exists as humanity and the idea of the singularity in terms of humanity. Are that human technological eras exponential? That to get from the bronze age, the iron age was like two 2,000 years from the iron age to the industrial age like a thousand. Industrial age. It only lasts two hundred. Then, you get to the point now that the internet age only lasts twenty years. So. Oh, we’re not, are we, Oh yeah, you’re right. Uh-huh? I was just trying to think like, well, yeah. And. Previous to that, the computer age only lasted like fifty And so, now we are approaching this point in human evolution and development that um progress. The human era can no longer be measured. That each human technological era begins to overlap itself. And that progress became becomes foreseeable by the organic mind. we have a date for that. And it’s twenty-forty-five. Uh between twenty forty-five, 2055 is when the singularity is supposed to occur. And what? So what is that what is that mean exactly? That means human technological progress becomes infinitely fast. Every day there are new technological breakthroughs. Every day there is more progress. Um. How does even determine this state? Do you know? Well. I don’t know. Smarter men than me have done this math. Yeah. But it’s you see it evident in human evolution. These cuz there’s there were times in our history when thousands and thousands of years were spent the same. centuries were spent the same. There was no real development. It was just kind of an age. Living in the era that we live in now, it becomes very difficult to conceive of that. Because even if you’ve been around for twenty years, you’ve seen insane amounts of progress. And that simply just didn’t happen. Previously. Right. Ever since the industrial age for better or worse, we’ve sprinted towards this exponential progress, and as to what singularity looks like, oh no. Uh, I surely just hope it’s not a new iPhone a day. Uh, I’m hoping it’s not the AI, you know, um. Oh, god. Take me over the world and. The matrix. I uh. I’m kind of opposed to AI. Kinda not. Because to get AI, we have to first solve the consciousness problem, and we solve the consciousness problem. Good luck. That pretty much unlocked the singularity right there. But at the same time okay, let’s say if we unlock consciousness, let’s say we’ve created an artificial intelligence. We have created a thinking, feeling machine. The feeling of what? How do you know that consciousness implies emotion? What, how do you know what that emotion is? Right. Right. It’s defining consciousness. Mm-hmm. Which is the tricky part. So, and then one of the interesting questions I’ve, it’s been posed to me is does emotion evolve? Are we more emotionally intelligent now than we were 500 years ago? You gotta remember 500 years ago, what was considered fun was watching the local heretic gutted in the public square. So, I have to think that, yeah, we have grown. I, I do think we’ve owned in some ways, and at the same time, you know, there’s always going to be some kind of watching people get, you know, it’ll be a violent movie. Um. Yeah. Yeah. US, UFC, you know, we I mean II remember. Yeah. I don’t know how old you are but. I’m almost forty. There was a show on in the 90s called America’s Funniest Home Videos. That’s right. And it was hosted by Bob Saggett for some reason. And uh there used to be a rule. But it first came out. That no one could get hurt. And the video. It was an explicit rule. What? no1 could be injured. Yes. Well and then the dude getting hit in the nuts by a football One 3 years in a row. And they realized their entertainment value. Exactly. Cuz when I watched it, it was like 80% of people getting hurt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And uh that’s an interesting aspect of humanity that to my knowledge, only the Germans have attempted to quantify. Uh, they have a word called uh Shodden Freuda. Which basically if I remember right, translates to the sad joy. And it is the pleasure that you get from other people’s pain. It is you who laugh at someone falling downstairs. It’s the reason you laugh at anything like that. Though the Germans have a word for it. It is Yeah. It exists Universally. And that is the very reason that um that that things like America’s funniest home videos or **** exist. Yeah. And it has to be II wonder really what is it psychologically that makes us like that? Is it a survival aspect of that ain’t me? Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know. Well because one of the weird questions I’ve never heard answered is uh why do we laugh? Like what even is laughter? Right. What is humor? Yeah. Uh-huh. and um because it wouldn’t exist for no reason. Laughter has to have a function the most interesting notion that I’ve heard is it was made as a diffused mechanism. The whole idea of why we find humor or awkwardness humorous. Because of like let’s say you were walking around the pack way back in the day. And you heard the Bush’s Russell. And everyone gets scared. You see the rabbit jumps out, so you laugh. And that signal which creates a neurological response in any human that hears it Is a way to signal the all clear. And maybe it’s a way to signal that hey that wasn’t me that just slammed into a **** curve on a bicycle or something like that. Like I don’t know what that is. I don’t define what humor is or why we laugh, to begin with. Right. Difficult question. And then you make it even more complex by the fact that some animals laugh. Really? Uh. Huh. Rats will laugh. Horses will laugh. Um, horses have displayed complex humor. Rats will laugh. Rats, you could tickle a rat. It’ll laugh. Giggle. That is so strange. Wow. They’re hyper-intelligent. Um, A horse. There’s some search horse prank on YouTube and you will get nothing but videos of horses taking revenge on people and laughing about it or playing a prank on their handler or something. it’s pretty. That’s always been the strangest thing to me because that implies very complex emotional intelligence to have humor. Yeah. Well, we’ve strayed. This is a very interesting topic for sure, man. Philosophical, psychological, like cultural, uh what’s called anthropology, anthropological questions. Um kinda tying it back to hypnosis. Well, I mean and you were talking about singularity and consciousness. Was that, were you going somewhere that in terms of hypnosis? Who knows? Um well, probably where I was going with that. Um if not, where I’m going now is that what we do is going if it’s not already it is going to become vital to consciousness research and what it means to have that type of increased development that we can analyze ourselves and others in ways that we haven’t been able to in the past. I’ve heard some theories that the notion of metaprogramming. Being able to actively change our thoughts and behaviors is uh an evolutionary step that is not something we’ve always had. That this ability to change everything about ourselves to suit our purposes is evolutionary. And I will take that one step further one of the things that I propose in many of my interviews is we don’t have free will. If everything of what we do is a product of association and learned behavior. How is that in any way an expression of choice? Now where free will comes in is when you choose to alter that behavior to suit your life when you choose how you want to view something. When you choose how you wanna act and react to something. Right, but aren’t those also dictated by past programming, by culture, um your knowns, so to speak? Yeah. You know. Could be. But it is the conscious choice of say if you have anxiety and you wish to resolve it. That is a conscious choice. Um. Right. Another example of a guess is if you don’t like a certain food, well, it stops. Like it. But you can’t. Okay, well, what if you could make that choice? What if you could just choose to make a certain food or like reading or like something in particular? What if your association was different? And that’s where the change comes in. That’s where the choice comes in. At least I think. That’s just uh the logical quandary that I like to present to people. Yeah. You know, this whole free-will discussion, man. That’s above my pay grade. I do mean on most days, I lean towards, you know, there probably is in free will but What I will say is I think it’s important for us to believe that there’s free will even if there’s not. Just to function in society and for mental health and yeah. Um, there are a lot of things like that that you don’t have time to get into today but it exists for you. You just have to play along to function. The biggest landmine in thought projects I could think of is simulation theory. Because you can neither prove it nor disprove it. So you could just continually fall that rabbit hole. So what is simulation The idea that we live in a simulation? Okay yeah, the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah. There is no way to prove it. There’s no way to disprove it. Yup. And I have no couple of people that fell far down that hole. Yeah. So, now, this is not a lot of quantum physicists, okay? And obviously, I’m not anywhere near that realm and intelligence but from what I’ve heard and read and understand as a layman is that there is an interpretation that will lead to us being in a simulation, there are some quantum physicists who would say that, and um. Uh, who’s the deal? That it is. Yeah. Statistically more likely that we’re in a simulation than not. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. And it the singularity comes into that because it assumes that any civilization that gains enough technology to run a simulation will do so simply to gather information and that given our technological progress, it is more likely that we have reached that point and we are in a simulation, then, it is not. So, wait, maybe the similarities are just when our when our holes pop open and we all get to come to to play in the real world. You know what? I think this ties nicely into hypnosis. Yeah. Okay. Because our beliefs, our core beliefs, a lot of them, are just BS. Yeah. It’s all perception. Reality is perception and as hypnotists, we can help you change that perception. Yeah, I don’t know if you, if you’ve been part of like a stage hypnotist show, hypnosis show? No, I’m opposed to stage hypnosis. What? Uh. It’s something I’ve to develop and like, yeah, I get that reaction a lot but speaking to clients and speaking to podcasters doing interviews, Stage Hypnosis is responsible for 90% of the misconceptions and falsehoods about hypnosis. And I could say To me, hypnosis and hypnotherapy is a very, very, very powerful tool and it needs to be regarded as such and if we’re up on stage using what is supposed to be a powerful tool to make people stand on their head, that doesn’t allow people to view it with the, the gravity that they should because, to them, it becomes this, this parlor trick this and more than that, I’ve encountered people who’ve had negative experiences with stage hypnotists. Uh because of what they’ve experienced on stage, they would never get hypnotized again. I’ve thought about that a lot. Would I ever do stage work? And I think at this point, the answer is no. Uh, I would do parlor work within a small setting like Transing one person in front of a small group just as a demonstration. That’s fine but doing it as a spectacle in front of a crowd. I think personally, this is only my opinion that it robs hypnosis of some of the dignity that it deserves. Hm. And I understand why it exists cuz yeah, it’s a neat thing But like, given how important I feel that hypnosis is to, in the understanding of it is to our health. Did damages its capacity to do so, by it being a stage show. Here, here’s my kind of argument. Um, because if show somebody that, you know, hey, I can make you bark like a dog, cluck like a chicken, uh via the power of hypnosis. Imagine what it’ll do therapeutically. Imagine how easy it is for you to quit smoking or lose weight or you know. How many are to go to anxiety? Going to be convinced with that versus how many people are going to be convinced that it’s fake or that? Yeah, I know I get a process or that it’s mind control. Yeah. And that’s the contribution to the negativity that comes in. And the media doesn’t help because every time you see a movie where hypnosis is involved outside of uh black magic, that one movie from the forties. Um, it’s all **** Like it’s all just weird. if that’s not actually how that works. But it makes people believe it. That’s why you ask someone to imagine what a hypnotist is. The first thing they think is that. Yeah. I have one somewhere. Hey, it’s a legit induction man. It works. I know. That’s the whole reason I dug mine out is because like man if I’m a hypnotist I wanna trans someone with a pocket watch. Exactly. That’s why I got it too. Just for that. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. Oh, I feel like this might be a good stopping point, man. It’s been a fun conversation. I don’t know if there’s anything that you. Yeah, man. Thank you for coming on and um uh is there anything maybe you wanna end with before um you know, ask you how people can find you and work with you? Um well, one of the things I always like to end with, you’ve already mentioned that hypnosis is natural. It’s normal. It’s not a metaphysical thing that this is a natural function of the human mind and that there’s no reason not to utilize it for positive change. It’s there anyway. We’re not adding anything. So, it’s something that I believe anyone can benefit from But if anyone wants to get a hold of me, uh like I was so enthusiastically introduced, my name is Jay Robert Parker. I own Twin Ravens Hypnotherapy and Research LLC and you can get a hold of me through my website at WWW dot Ravens dot ORG. Very nice. And you are doing group hypnotherapy as well. Oh, yes. Um I, if you go to a meetup, uh meetup .com and search for twin ravens hypnotherapy. I have a bi-weekly group hypnosis that I’m starting up. Uh, just kind of as an experiment, see how well it catches on but it’s just uh every other week, just doing some general relaxation, motivation, just basic stuff, and way. Anyone that wants to be able to experience hypnosis gets the opportunity. It’s not the same as one-on-one but your results may vary. Some people get a very profound experience. Some people likely do but you always get something. You let them know what it is. Yeah. And awesome. Great talking to you man. Absolutely. And I just wanna vouch for Robert’s skill and his compassion and passion in this work cuz I’ve been in one of those group uh hypnotherapy sessions. And it was very powerful. So I recommend anyone who wants to experience the power of hypnosis, to change their lives, to go with, to with Robert and you’re in good hands. So, thank you, man. Thank you for coming on. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Alright. Peace out, guys.As found on YouTubeHUMAN SYNTHESYS STUDIO 👀🗯 Attention: Have Real Human Spokespeople In Your Videos Saying Exactly What You Want In MINUTES! 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The Ark and the Mercy Seat: God’s Plan to Dwell with Man – The Tabernacle through the Eyes of Christ


From the get-go it was God's plan to dwell among us. And as you travel through the Scriptures, you, you see it's not, this tabernacle wasn't really a new thought. It may have been a new way in expressing God's prescribed method with man, but not new in the concept of dwelling among Him. ♪ ♪ ♪ We are investigating and going through the tabernacle and I probably may even go back to a couple of areas that I was very generic on, because I'm now seeing that more people are catching on when I've told you to go back and read how it changes the reading.

When you're looking at, instead of looking at very bland instructions of constructing or materials, and you start seeing all of this, it tells you God had a plan. There were shadows and types prefiguring and pointing to Christ. Exodus 25:8 basically says, “Build me a tabernacle that I may dwell among them.” So I want you to stop there for a minute, because this is all familiar territory and I really want you to think about this. And I'm even going to go so far as to say to my Jewish listeners, please listen to what I'm saying, because I think there are people out there in the sound of my voice that know what I'm saying is true, but your traditions, Jew or Christian, make void the word of God. So it's pretty staggering when you start to think that God from the beginning wanted to dwell with man. Just kind of pretend you just are not going to think about anything else except the concept that God from the beginning; I'm not talking about the beginning of building a tabernacle, I'm talking about from the beginning when He said, “Let us make Adam.” And Genesis 3:8 and 24, Genesis 3:8 and 24 both express that God was with Adam in the Garden.

So from the get-go it was God's plan to dwell among us. And as you travel through the Scriptures, you, you see it's not, this tabernacle wasn't really a new thought. It may have been a new way in expressing God's prescribed method with man, but not new in the concept of dwelling among Him. The same is true of Noah, the same is true of Abram, the same is true of Isaac, the same is true of Jacob. When we see the close proximity, you know, we, we tend to read God spoke to these patriarchs, but think about it. Whether it was a voice that came from wherever or whether it was an appearance of Christophanies or Theophanies, pre-incarnate, sometimes referred to as the “angel of the LORD,” which is a hard thing to pin down because some people believe that could be Michael or Gabriel, or that could be Christ Himself pre-incarnate, as I said, a Christophany.

Nevertheless, God was repeatedly manifesting Himself to these people. So the plan of dwelling among the people, we read it in Exodus, but it's not new. And in fact, think about this. This is what's so heartbreaking. You start to look at the Bible. If you're going to investigate this book, God starts out wanting to dwell among man, knowing, by the way, giving man the free will to make his own decisions, to not listen, to disobey. And what you end up with, eventually, the proximity that was designed, the space goes and increases more. As sin increases, the greater the distance between God and man and the dwelling portion, if you will. So it's kind of sad, but in this, there's this beautiful concept that God is saying, if you read and study the tabernacle, you'll see that God was always saying, “I want to dwell with My creation, but My creation now is so stained with sin that there must be a prescribed way to approach that we may be able to reconcile and still be together.” The revelation to Moses takes up many chapters in the book of Exodus.

You've got, and by the way, you have that same pattern right there with God speaking to Moses; think about this, at the burning bush and then repeatedly up in the mount. If that doesn't tell you that God still desired to dwell among His people, you see the same thing later with David, but here's the interesting thing. God says to David when David desires to build a house for the Lord, He says basically, “No.” But David, who's called a man after God's own heart, He says, rather, “I will be with thee wherever thou goest.” To Solomon who has the idea to build the temple, we have the glory of the Lord that settles in. And then, of course, after that, we'll call it prophecy of the divided kingdom, we see no more of this for a time. But the point, the clarity is when you start reading the New Testament and you realize over and over again, but specifically the opening portions of John make it clear that God had to come; God was in Christ, taking up a tent of human flesh.

Again, the Greek word there in John's Gospel when it says the eternal word or “The word was, or became, flesh and dwelt,” more specifically, that Greek word eske-, eskenosen, which if you look that up, Strong's 4637, “to have one's tent,” or “to tabernacle,” God was in Christ tabernacling among us. So we have what was being alluded to, prefiguring, being pointed to, now realized, made in the flesh in Christ in the New Testament. So it's important when I say study the tabernacle, because not only do you see God's design, you can really find yourself.

As I've said, the way of approach, if, if we were being honest, if I think about my real eyes-open approach some, how many years ago; 25, 30, more than 30 years ago, really in reality trying to understand God, it made me see the white boards, the holiness of God, and made me almost say, “How could I approach?” The same thing is true by these people as they were living around the tabernacle, camped around the tabernacle, constantly reminded of God's holiness by those outward walls that basically were a constant reminder of what was inside. So just to recap, I made a list here; of course, on my list I have chapter and verse, so this one just has a list somewhat in order. But you can see kind of the order that God gives for the things that were important to Him, as I said before.

And if you think about that, He starts with offerings and materials to be brought by the people. And that is directly said in the opening of Exodus 25, “Speak to the people.” He doesn't say, “Demand it; manipulate them, make them feel bad.” God says to the ones that will “bring it with a willing heart,” and God has not changed that. But here's the interesting thing. I just, before I get too far into this, I want you to think about this. God being God could have created all of this tabernacle without the resources, without anyone bringing, without anyone lifting a finger. I'm not saying that God's a magician per se, but if He had created the heavens and the earth and all the creatures and everything that's in it, He could have surely made a tabernacle without the help of human hands, without the help of human resources.

You think? (Yes ma'am.) So it's interesting that He didn't, and that's the starting point. And I'm going to keep repeating this, because I think there are some people just waking up to this fact. So it bears; it's a worthy endeavor for me to keep repeating this. You can, you can rationalize or justify however you want your approach to God, but when God says, “This is the way of approach,” and He starts with this, “Speak to the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering.” And interestingly enough, if you really think carefully about this, those words read in the Hebrew can only be translated one way, “My offering,” God's offering; never anyone else's offering, nothing that the people actually possessed.

If you think about it, as they came out of Egypt, they possessed nothing. It was what they took along the way that became their possessions. And so it's, these are the things that I think are very important, God giving these instructions, a necessary step to begin building. And then from there, God goes immediately, the first place, if you look on that list right there, to the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat. He doesn't say, “Build Me a door, or make Me a curtain, or make boards.” He says: ark and mercy seat.

Why? Because that was going to be the place where God would make His presence known and dwell among the people. So it's kind of very interesting. You go down the list and you, you can kind of see a level of importance, and then bookends because God starts with where He's going to dwell and the final reading in; between Exodus and Numbers is that God's glory settles down to reside. So, “Build Me a tabernacle where I may dwell; mercy seat, ark of the covenant,” and the final place is God's glory, chapter 40, I believe, in the book of Exodus.

So it, it is relative to the study to understand this. There's nothing that is accidental. And when man would approach what, I've said this before, what God started with, that was, think about this, the last thing that, except for the, by the way, only the high priest would get to go into the Holy of Holies. But think about where God started; ark of the covenant, only the high priest would get to go in. So think of it this way, what He started with that was most important to Him would be the least likely to be seen by the congregation; they couldn't.

So that's kind of interesting. Now when we start, as I say, we start in the outer area looking at the white boards. So God is gracious to show us what's important to Him first. And then, when He lets us approach, He knows our frame and He gives us basically the furthest point away to start our journey inward. There's a very interesting imagery that one could draw upon, which I'm sure I'll, I will maybe go to in the next message or two, but it's interesting to see that if you really see the whole tabernacle in a bird's-eye view, it is the way of salvation in its entirety.

It spells it out from start to finish. So what we're going to look at today will be mostly around the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat. The designated high priest would approach the ark of the covenant as God's representative. The special area called the Holy of Holies basically curtained off another partition to keep it separate. And so when you are inside the tabernacle, now you've come in the door, you would actually not even see the ark of the covenant, because it was behind a curtain.

So if you were even allowed to come in and do service, only the high priest would go behind that special veil. That special veil has a particular Hebrew name, pârôketh, “separation” or “partition,” only used for this particular veil, because you'll see reading the King James sometimes can be a little bit confusing. You'll have references to actually two different veils, but in the Hebrew they are two distinct words. One should be properly more translated, “curtain,” the other one, “veil.” And this veil, actually the concept of the veil and the Holy of Holies becomes very important to understand as we, future perhaps, may look at the temple, because in the New Testament it describes that the temple veil was torn from top to bottom.

And that has a very important representation, which in the tabernacle is still represented but could not have the same application. There is a reason for this that I may again get to. But everything within that pârôketh, within that special veil required blood, and without the blood no one entered in, or if the high priest did so, he entered at peril of death, which was certain. The veil that partitioned off the Holy of Holies basically was the ultimate symbol of God's holiness and the inability of any person, not cleansed by the blood, consecrated and cleansed by the blood, to be able to even approach. I want you to think about that because every step of this message and all of these messages keep saying the same thing. How can you approach Christ if you're not willing to look at what happened at Calvary and the shed blood that He spilled? The writer of Hebrew spells it out so eloquently, but you'll see people who are, they don't want to talk about the blood of Christ, it repulses them.

Well I'm sorry, friend, if it repulses you, then you're not interested in God's prescribed way which is the, the picture is here, it's graphic, it's terrible to see animals being slaughtered and death, but this is the way God was painting a picture to say, “This is the way of salvation,” which will ultimately end in the final sacrifice of the Lamb of God, who as the book of John says, “taketh away the sin of the world.” So the, the writer of Hebrew says, “Having therefore, brethren, the boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, his flesh.” So understanding the veil, even as I said, even though it is not 100 percent the perfect type, which it will be in the temple, signifies something about Christ's finished work, so just kind of note to self, the body of Jesus, if you want to put it this way, was a veil that hid the inner glory of His deity, because He was all-man and all-God.

For it was the Father's good pleasure for all fullness of the deity to dwell in Him. At a later time, as I've referenced already, how the veil was torn symbolizes something about the flesh body of Christ completing its ultimate and final work here on earth for the time prescribed. I'm not talking about future return, I'm talking about in the work that was needed at that particular time that He came to do. So the veil we would say is symbolic of the incarnate life of Christ, but more specifically the flesh body, the tearing of the veil, His death on the cross. His death opened up a new and living way, as I just quoted from Hebrews. And what is important for us is that we no longer need a veil or a cloaking or a way of approach, because He provided it. This is a difficult thing I'm going to say, but I'm going to keep repeating it, because people misconstrue, and they selectively hear what I've been saying.

If you really; Jew or Christian, if you're really reading this book, you're going to see something with great clarity: God brought an end to the old dispensation. And you can say, “Well, there, there are people still celebrating.” I have many friends who still celebrate their Jewish faith. And that is, I mean, no disrespect, but the reality is if, if this is the pattern and the prototype, then it's like saying people are still going out to slay saber tooth tigers when they're extinct. You've heard that before, right? Yeah. So just to put that in perspective- and it becomes important, not, you know, people say, “Well, yeah, are you a person who is anti-Jewish or anti-whatever?” No, I'm a person looking at this and understanding that even people that came before me. I was reminded by something that the staff handed to me a week or two ago concerning this particular subject of the tabernacle, because I've been saying Old and New, you can't understand one without the other, nor could you actually live in the mindset of simply the Old Testament.

It lacks every fulfillment. It's like saying, “Yeah, I'm only going to wear the right shoe today.” Go out there and walk, brother. So, back on the inside, the veil itself, five cubits in height, five if you remember, the number of grace, and also speaks of the fullness of Christ. So at some point I'll, we'll prepare a chart of the numbers for those of you that are not familiar with the numbers and the dimensions, because I think that becomes important as a study tool.

But the area of this enclosure, we're talking about the Holy of Holies and what is in the Holy of Holies today, ten by ten by ten; I know that's a strange number, but a thousand cubits more or less. And I, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that that concept of a thousand cubits is represented in a thousand-year millennial, if you want, reign of Christ. There is something connected, which we'll see, but obviously the foursquare concept that is presented in not only Ezekiel, but Revelation is presented right there in the Holy of Holies. It's kind of another important piece that we would want to look at. You cannot study this without seeing God did not leave any details out. So I've already talked briefly about the ark, box if you will. The Hebrew word is 'ârôwn, meaning “chest” or “ark.” And there are different arks mentioned, of course, in the Bible.

The most, we'll call them the most common, well-known, obviously Noah's ark, different from the basket that carried the Moses child, which is also referred to in some translations as “ark.” But the box, or I'm sorry, the basket for Moses was called têbâh, in Hebrew; not the same as the word I just referenced, meaning the “ark of the covenant.” But they all served a purpose, a same or similar purpose to save or to preserve.

And some people may not understand that just yet because you'll hear me reference later that at a later time the lid being moved off of the ark seems to kill people, because people who don't understand why will go, “Wow, God was really sadistic. He just killed people.” No, it's called; it's like a traffic law out there, you know, the speed limit says 35, you want to go 75 in a 35, you're probably going to have a consequence attached to that. It may not be death. In some cases it might be. You might kill somebody, okay? But there's a reason for prescribed things, and God's way was no different. He said this was how it's going to be. So of course, let me go back a little bit. God tells Noah to build an ark that he and his family would live and they would find safety in the ark. Moses, the same thing, was preserved in that ark. So we know what was placed inside the ark, which I've referenced before.

The ark itself made of shittim wood, acacia wood overlaid with gold. And again, the number four appears everywhere on that ark. I reference the number four as meaning the four corners of the earth; the whole earth being covered. The items placed inside: the unbroken tables of stone, and it's important to repeat this part, “upon which the Ten Commandments were written,” representing God's truth; the pot of manna showing us the way; and Aaron's rod that budded overnight showing us the life. So if you want to call it “the truth, the way, and the life” right there, preserved within that ark. No matter what fallen man would do, these things would be safe and preserved within the ark.

So there's again that attachment. We see the ark to preserve life. This would actually preserve our lives if we understand how these are all in Christ. So let's look at the covering that would, the lid that would cover the ark of the covenant called the mercy seat. On the mercy seat, the blood of the sacrificed bullock would be sprinkled. Leviticus 16, “The LORD spake unto Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered before the LORD, and died. The LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.” Again, you know, how many of you feel this way? You read something and you're familiar with it, but when you really start to try and put all the pictorial sense and bring it to life, it has such a deeper meaning, because now you're looking at this in a sense like I just explained.

God is speaking, which means He's amongst men, He's giving the instruction, and He says basically to “not come at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.” And I will probably go through the offerings at a future time, but right now, just stay with what's being said here.

“He shall put on the holy linen coat, he shall have the fine linen breeches upon his flesh, shall be girded with a linen girdle, a linen miter,” he shall be attired this way, “these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, put them on. He shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, one ram for a burnt offering. Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, to make an atonement for himself, and for his house.” So before he could even deal with the rest of the congregation, he had to deal with his sin and the sin of his household.

And this is why I categorically reject all of these people who do not read and understand, don't just go, “Oh, that's Old Testament.” Every priest, every pastor, every minister is no different than any parishioner. We have all sinned. There isn't a one, I don't care if you're wearing a white suit with a white beanie on your head. You are as much a sinner as I am, brother or sister, whatever you are, whatever your pronoun is. And don't try and make it otherwise. It's, it, these are the things that I look at. People say, “Oh, well, you know, a person of God.” Still sinning flesh, not perfect. I make mistakes, they make mistakes; sinning is part of every person's lot. Put a period there. So I like the fact that God includes this, that he has to make an atonement for himself first, for his house, before he can even deal with the great Day of Atonement for the congregation and the camp.

“He shall take two goats, present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the LORD, the other for the scapegoat. Aaron shall bring the goat which the LORD'S lot fell upon, bring him as the sin offering. But the goat, which the lot fell on to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and let him go for a scapegoat in the wilderness.” And I leave that there because there's a whole bunch of other instructions here, but the one that probably needs to be repeated so that it's abundantly clear, because you can keep reading down, but there's a mention of the blood, and it's repeated over and over again.

“And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat he shall sprinkle the blood with his finger seven times.” Again, numbers have value and have reason, not just because, “Because seven is my lucky number today.” No, there was reason, okay? It's a perfect completed act. “Then,” he goes on to say, “he shall kill the goat of the sin offering. That's for the people.” So if he's dealt now with himself and his house, now we're going to deal with the people; it's for the people, “and bring his blood within the vail, and do that,” which he did with the other blood, basically the same thing.

“And he shall make an atonement for the holy place.” Again, everything that is touching the things of the Lord and His people will be covered or sprinkled by the blood, and there's no escaping that. And anybody who says, “Well, I just can't deal with that,” I don't think you really want to deal with what God's saying here that is the prescribed method, which again brings you right back to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Now in Leviticus 17, the blood is then called “sacred.” And a particular verse there, which unfortunately over time has been misquoted, which is 17:11, “For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.” So it's very important to see God's method with man, the approach, the blood, the mercy seat.

So the mercy seat then, we're talking about how it fit and covered the ark. And I'm going to come back to the blood and some other aspects, but this at least gives you the, the bullet points that are needed for this. The mercy seat that covered the ark was the same length and breadth as, we'll call it the box. But the top lid or covering was made of pure gold; there was no wood in the lid at all. And I love this. You've got the two cherubims at each end, basically facing each other, wings folded inward, almost like everything's pointing to, like two fingers going “This way,” right? And what I think is important here is you can always look for symbolism and numbers. Here you've got the two cherubim, which is adequate witness of God's presence, and their faces basically looking down towards the lid itself, which is important, because these are not, like some have said, “Whoa, are the angels on the lid to be; were they meant to be worshiped?” No, they were guardians and heralders, and they've always been that in the Bible.

So, you know, people say, “Well, how do you make a distinguish; how do you distinguish between Aaron building or making the golden calf and God prescribing this on the lid?” They were two very different things. One was at the behest of the people's impatience to wait on Moses to worship something they made with their hands versus something God said, “You make this, and I'm going to be there, and you will worship Me there.” So, you know, don't, don't homogenize or mix things up. But I love the fact that if you go and you read through Scripture, once more, you go back to Genesis, and you find when God basically gets them, first parents, Adam and Eve out of the Garden, He puts a cherub there with a flaming sword to, to guide the way, to protect the way. And again, there are different ways to understand this, if you want to look at and say, “One that stood watch,” but it is definitely progressive revelation as you go through the Scripture that you can see these cherubim, these angelic beings.

And some of them are called cherubims, regular wings, some of them are seraphims with multiple wings, some of them are called “angelic ones,” “messengers of the LORD”" But what's important is they are usually heralding or announcing. Sometimes it's good news; sometimes it's not such good news, right? If you remember in Genesis 19, they were dispatched to get Lot out of Sodom. And I'm not sure that I'd call that good news or not because, if you know the story, maybe Lot should have stayed there. Leave that one alone. In Genesis 28, you've got them, the angelic beings are communicating to Jacob as he slept. So messengers with purpose, sometimes guardians of the way, and I think on the ark itself, I think they were doing double duty there, guarding the way, if you will, as a symbolic meaning.

Remember there was also cherubim on the veil itself, embroidered into the veil itself. So it's almost like we're going to keep repeating this. You're, if you were approaching maybe the, the design of the cherubim on the curtain would, was the heralding announcement, if you needed one: “You're approaching God's presence,” or “You're approaching something sacred and holy,” but certainly definitely guarding the way that no ordinary person would enter in. All right, so some other things that are interesting here. Moses had gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with God. It is then that he hears the voice of one speaking to him off the mercy seat, I think that's equally interesting, that was upon the ark of the testimony from between the two cherubim. Sounds strange, unless we know the original promise: “Build Me a tabernacle that I may dwell among you.” So if you didn't read that part, you'd say, “Well, that's strange that God's only going to be heard in that little area.” But God's prescription was that He would meet him there, and commune with him there.

That is also part of Exodus 25:22: “I will meet you there, commune, commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony.” And put a period right there. It, it's not like God said, “And if you don't meet Me there, I'll catch up with you over here,” right? These are the things we tend to do, we like to kind of fudge things and maybe, maybe, you know; no. This is what God said. A similar thing is stated, by the way, in Psalm 99, “The LORD reigneth: sitteth between the cherubim.” And what I would like you to just take note of is we, sometimes in the New Testament, we mention something called “the throne of God; to approach the throne of God boldly.” I want you to think about this because God said He would speak to Moses there from that particular place, which is called the mercy seat, for which no man ever sat upon. Yet when we read the New Testament, we talk about the throne of God. This is the depiction, the shadow, if you will, of the reality of God's throne.

Again, I don't care how you do this, you're going to be confronted with every picture here points back to the same place. That's why I love it. And it's important to study these. The dimensions, by the way, of this furniture, and I'm now talking about the base, two and a half by one and a half cubits; again, the numbers, and they're repeated on both sides, basically 5 and 3. If you're taking the numbers and making them whole, 5 and 3; again 5, the number of grace and the fullness of Christ, and 3, the number of divine manifestation, which is what you would get if you were to be able to approach and see or hear God speaking. So I think there's a beautiful design right there. If you remember, three items placed inside, as I just referenced them. So think about this, and then the lid is placed on there, and no human eye is to basically see these items again; that kind of sounds strange. They would be discerned in a spiritual way.

Now the people, the children of Israel would not have that capacity, but we do, knowing what these embody. Remember Christ said that He came to fulfill the law, and the law was fulfilled in Him. But prior to Christ coming in the flesh, and this is what's really important, there's a story, if you remember in the Old Testament, after the death of Eli, which happens in 1 Samuel, I believe the fourth chapter, where we read how the Philistines took the ark, and they took it from Ebenezer, which is being translated “the stone” or “the rock of help” unto Ashdod to bring it into the home of Dagan, the heathen idol worshiped, carved, little whatever it was made with hands.

1 Samuel 5:7; let's see if we can find that passage. It might be a little bit more helpful if I can read it to you or show it to you. So 1 Samuel, I think it's 5:7; yep. So it's, I'm going to pick up here to show you something. People often talk about this incident that happened. It says, I'll start in verse 6, “The hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof. And when the men of Ashdod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us,” and get this thing away from us, right? “For his hand is sore upon us, and upon Dagan our god.” Because if you remember, if you go back and read that, that little carved god keeps somehow falling on the floor.

If it was me, I would have just been pushing it off, but it just kept falling on the floor, right? Hey, at least I'm honest. That's what I would have done. “They sent therefore and gathered all the lords of the Philistines unto them, and said, What shall we do with the ark of the God of Israel? And they answered, Let the ark of the God of Israel be carried unto Gath.

They carried the ark of God of Israel about thither. And it was so, after they had carried it about, the hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: he smote the men of the city, both great; small and great, they had emerods in their secret parts,” whatever that means. "Therefore they sent the ark of God to Ekron. It came to pass, as the ark of God came to Ekron, that the Ekronites cried out, saying, They have brought about the ark of God, of the God of Israel to slay us and our people.” They recognized that. Now, if you remember, there is the passage. Ultimately these people, they want to “Send the ark back to the children of Israel, get it away,” because it, there was destruction everywhere.

But you remember, they had it in their possession. If you read this whole story, they had it in their possession for seven months, and they decide to send it back towards Beth-shemesh. If you remember that, they lifted the lid. And that's probably the most important thing that people get wrong, because they say, “Well, God's sadistic. He wiped these people out for lifting the lid”" or they caricature it like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

There was a purpose, do not look inside the box. And that purpose is so abundantly clear, the law, the tables of unbroken law, that we know no human being could keep, not a one. What does the New Testament say? The New Testament says, “For sin comes death.” So someone not covered by the blood already and then looking to the law: death, “For the wages of sin is death.” The law acted directly upon them. Don't think that because they just merely glanced in; the consequences of being exposed to the law brought death. And this is what Paul explains, by the way, so brilliantly in Galatians. The law could never bring life. It could only bring death. So when people say, “Oh, well, God's pretty sadistic; He wiped those people out for looking inside.” Yep. But think of the purpose and really go, don't look at the pot of manna or those are secondary items, the most important one, because the rod that budded was an emblem of the resurrected life. But it was the law and that exposure to the law, direct exposure to the law would bring death.

And still to this day, if you think about it, the tables of stone do not make up the whole law as we know it. The whole law is 316 do's and don'ts. But if you split the Ten Commandments in half and the relationship between man and man, and God and man, I'd say there is a very good likelihood that no one in the sound of my voice, including yours truly, could live if that's all we had, could stay alive if that's all we had. And now, you might say, “Well, how could something like 'Honor thy mother and thy father' or, well” think about what's on those stones, but then translate them into everyday life, and then you'll realize, if that's all you had, we'd all be dead. So don't be too harsh on God wiping these people out.

And I often think this one story in the Old Testament helps clean up and clarify what most people do not understand about God. The apostle Paul said, “I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.” Even he understood that. Now, why is it? Talk to people who don't understand these concepts. I remember talking to somebody who said, “Oh, I, I love the law. The law is good.” Well, you may love the law, but that's like saying, “I like to have a noose around my neck,” because that's what it, if you really understand it, that's what it means because no one can live to those standards. Even the most simplistic man-man or God-man relation, no one can live to those standards, not a one.

And as I've said repeatedly over the years, Jesus raised the bar. So let's talk about “Thou shalt not kill, which some people want to parse and say, “Well, is it kill? Or is it murder? Or how would you describe that?” Jesus said, “If you hate in your heart, you're as guilty as a murderer.” So don't parse the words of killing or murdering. Just put a period on that. And then Jesus says, “And if you hate,” okay, I hate to do this. Don't put a camera on anybody. How many of you have ever hated somebody? Okay? So that's what I'm saying to you. And that's the importance of studying this to see if you really, really understand it the Old Testament could not ever be a complete book to follow.

You want the canonized version of it. If you understand what I'm saying, the prescribed method could not have represented the fullness of God's desire for humankind ever. So it would take the shed blood sprinkled upon the mercy seat to change what was judgment towards man and upon man into grace. And even there, this is the remarkable thing, people say, “Oh, well, the God of the Old Testament – there's no grace there.” Of course there is. Just in that one act of letting the priest go in and sprinkle the blood that would cover the whole congregation, that's an act of grace in and of itself, because, if you think about it, without that blood being applied, they would have died.

In fact, you've got the same application. You don't like this one? Go back to the children of Israel in Egypt's bondage. And God says, “Apply the blood and my avenging angel, when he sees the blood, he shall pass over.” But failure to apply that blood meant death; pretty simple. So God's holiness and mankind's sinfulness could not meet unless the blood was authenticated, validated in that sacrificial death that had to take place, and then God's wrath ceased. People don't even like to talk about the wrath of God. And that's another disturbing thing. Again, you have ever heard people say, “Oh, I just can't read the Old Testament. You know, God, God's an angry God. I like the God of the New Testament.” Like somehow God said, “Excuse me, bear with Me”" I; bear with me, I don't mean to be blasphemous, “but I'm, I'm going to be trans-testamental.” (Laughter.) I'm just going to slip into something a little bit more comfortable for you all in the New so that you can all appreciate it.

God has not changed. Just God has not changed. So it's no different in type, as I've said, if you cover to cover, see what God did, whether it is the Passover, where, whether it is the slaying of animals to clothe Adam and Eve, or through and through even, as I've mentioned, the cord that Rahab hung out the window to save her and her family. Through, cover to cover, you find this concept of blood and God's way with fallen man. So to reconcile man back to God, we read of the effects: the finished work of Christ. Therefore, let us come boldly unto the throne of grace. We can now approach! The veil is now open. We can approach. There's no more fear that if we approach without covering, we shall surely die. And so it's kind of interesting. Covered in Christ's sacrifice, we no longer fear the wrath of God. I think, try and make the application now to a Scripture, again, I've quoted abundantly over the years, Romans 8, “There is therefore now no ultimate condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” Think of “ultimate condemnatio”" as judgment, wrath; all the things that would have been poured out, now covered in the finished work of Christ.

There is no more. There are remaineth no more. So what the Old Testament could not accomplish in full, we see it in the New. So again, every concept is going to come back to one thing here, Exodus 25 where God says, “And there I will meet thee and commune with thee.” If that's been God's intent since day one; this is why I feel sorry for some people who are stuck in an old dispensation and don't understand this. If that was God's desire for man from day one, and basically Adam and Eve messed it up, and along the way God is showing us it's still His desire, think about what God gave us in this new dispensation to, to basically commune with Him, to be at one with Him.

Not only first and foremost the death of Christ, the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, but remember when Jesus said, “It's expedient that I go away. If I go another way, I cannot send you the Holy Spirit.” So the Holy Spirit has sent to us for all the reasons I've said, but also to dwell with us, part payment. So it's like God's saying, “I'm no longer going to dwell with the people as I originally proposed. I'm going to dwell with them all in fullness as they come to Me in faith.” So I'm going to ask this question again, because I, I'm repeating it, but I'm trying to nail something down here. If you only had the Old Testament, could you actually understand God's desire for humankind? With, (no ma'am) right, without Christ and without the finished work of Christ, you'd be left with half of a picture and honestly quite confusing one at that.

Not that the words themselves or the book is confusing, but the fact that you're left with an incomplete picture, and it's incomplete in so many ways. Even if you want to go down to, as I said, materials, the numerology, everything here speaks and points in the direction that I've been pointing to you. And so it's, it's very clear what was made possible by God through the blood is the gateway, if you will. The picture is clear. As I said earlier, this is why Jesus is called “the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the”- this is mind boggling.

Think of now everything I've said and pretend for a second you never heard this book. You never heard anything about this except for the descriptions I've given you regarding the tabernacle. And here are these people early on in the first and second chapter of John, Jesus doesn't say, “I am the Lamb of God.” They say, “Behold the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin”" It's kind of, if you really think about it, it was God's prescribed way.

These people in Christ's time were Jews, knew the Old Testament, which was the only Testament. So even that declaration, see, we're familiar with it so it doesn't have the same impact, but if you, if you really could try and not be so familiar you'd realize that even that in itself, that declaration is pretty staggering. That somebody did not recognize this in the flesh by themselves. God had to open up the eyes and give the declaration to be uttered to say, “That's Him. No longer the blood of bulls and goats, but that's Him. That's the one that's going to do it.” And all the names of God even that we've covered over the years, the “with us God,” the “all sufficient God”; these all are tied up in Him. So I just feel really terrible when I hear people say, “Well, but you know,” and I, as I said, I have a lot of Jewish friends.

“You know, I, I just can't, can't read the New Testament.” Well, I feel sorry for you because you're missing out. Like I said, you're only wearing one shoe. Go run a marathon. So the other thing that becomes clear is that not only how Paul declares in Romans 3:25 and 1 John about the word “propitiation.” He was not only our Reconciler and Propitiation and Propitiatory, both the essence of what was needed to reconcile, the Reconciler and actually the place of reconciliation all in one, which is again back to the mercy seat, so every detail in this work that we're looking at to try and figure this out, it keeps revealing over and over again concepts, and they all are materialized in Christ.

Then you've got passages, for example, like Luke 18:13, where you've got the publican saying, “Be merciful to me, a sinner.” And if you read that again, it would be very easy to see the publican saying, “Be mercy seated to me,” the way it is written in the Greek. All of these, again, we're, we're reading a New Testament where they were still primarily a Jewish community. So even these words to them would have been staggering to hear somebody say, “Be mercy seated to me,” but this is exactly what we see. So last but not least here, let me just say it this way, the most oft repeated Scripture. You go to these big gatherings, sometimes I'll see it on the back of a truck somewhere, John 3:16, “God so loved the world,” and you know the verse of Scripture. When it says “he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life,” what should be understood by that as well is that had God not given His only begotten Son, where exactly, I want you to think about this, because this is why Paul wrote a certain thing about “if Christ be not risen, our faith is vain.” I want you to think about what that would mean living in a world where there was no ultimate sacrifice.

And the ongoing sacrifices, at some point, I said this to you, ceased. Why did the, why did the old way cease? Now people say, “Well, because they; Jerusalem was destroyed. The people were expelled, or they were put, they were deported.” But if this was so that they believed that this was the only way of salvation, even if they didn't have a high priest, but they believed this was the only way of salvation, don't you think they would have still been practicing it? (Yes ma'am.) Right. So it leads me to some conclusion about something, and I know when I say this, people will take what I'm saying out of context.

So if you do, that's your problem because the spirit in which I intend to be meant. There is no way that God intended this ceremony, sacrificing, and the rituals to continue. No, there's no possible way. And in fact, a closer examination of some of the Hebrew words, and in the New Testament, some of the Greek words really hit that home to the point of asking the question. So how could people still be steeped in something that technically no longer was meant to exist? And this is why I use all these Scriptures frequently, but they all tie together.

This is why when it says, “They will look upon Him whom they have pierced,” because it's the same people perpetuating the same customs, the same traditions that make void the word of God, who also perpetuate that Christ did not live or that He was a mere prophet or that He was not the Messiah. And these will be the same people where it says, “They will look upon Him whom they have pierced, and they will mourn,” because they will recognize that the whole time that they were perpetuating ceremonial concepts, no longer carried out and actually slaughtering animals and applying the blood, but in conceptual concepts, but the whole time they were doing that, God was here, Emmanuel, God, the with us God, showing us that that dispensation came to a close and is no more. Now, why build that temple for the future? Why? Because that temple in the future will teach people who Christ is who did not know Christ.

That temple in the future to be built will point in every dimension. You know, I, I've talked about this both here and on Festival, about the red heifer, about all these special tools that they're trying to make, but the bigger point is being missed which will be revealed, but it will not be revealed until Christ reveals Himself. And that's the part that I just want to kind of pause here right now to bring this all to a close to say, you and I may not live perfect lives, and we don't, and we can't, but we look unto Him who is the Author and Finisher of faith.

He's shown us the way. He's shown us as I taught last week and spoke about the resurrected life, that all of that is encompassed in the finished work and that there is no need to go down this ceremonial trail. And to people in other, we'll call them dimensions of the quasi-Christian faith who, who are insistent on ceremony plus Christ, people who are still, by the way, eating the body of Christ or drinking Christ's blood, again, you've made void the word of God; these traditions, or if they are religious traditions or traditions of man. And I do challenge some of my listeners out there who may be, you be in total disagreement with me, that's fine. I'm not asking you to just nod your head and go along with me. I'm asking you to go back and reread the passages that we've looked at so far, and you tell me how they could ever be complete; complete for the person of that day, complete in this day and age or at any other time because I go back to one thing that still looms large over this whole populace that insists on those traditions: the law.

You want to live by the law? You're going to die by the law. You want to live by faith, you'll have eternal life in Christ. And these two, I'm sorry, you say, “Well, but the law is good.” Yes, but what does Paul say? The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. That comes out of the mouth of the most zealous Jew that ever lived: the law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. So if you understand that and every other thing that Paul wrote about, saying, “Cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree.” Well, the curse fell on, the curse being the curse of the law, fell on Him, and because of what He did, we pass out. We are no longer exposed, lid open, looking at the law. The law, the curse fell on Him, we get to walk out from under it, and because of His work, we live. And we don't just live in the now, we have eternal life. So to all of my listeners and particularly people out there that say, “This is, it's very simple.” It's also very complicated, because if you're not willing to leave your baggage and your traditions at the door, none of this is going to make sense even though it's so simple.

Furthermore, as I've said, and I appreciate the messages that you've communicated with me, to go back and to reread, even just portions of the mercy seat, portions of Leviticus 16 and 17 now, with Christ in mind and with all of these various depictions in mind, and see that God was always saying one thing, “I want to commune with you. I want to dwell with you, and I want us,” that's what Christ said in His high priestly prayer, “to be one.” Well, that oneness will not occur at the moment, but the part payment has, the deposit of the Spirit has, and we will be one with Him in eternity.

So the messages will, we'll see if we continue on in the tabernacle, but I hope this is helping people fill out some of the areas and recognize you are incomplete with just one Testament, but you put the two together and you see the big picture. And the big picture is pretty incredible, because God from the beginning was saying, “I want to be with My creation”" Now sin, sinning man and free will messed that up, but God said, “I'm going to give you the door. I'm going to give you the way and the truth.

And it's no longer the truth that is the law that kills, but the truth that's in Christ. And I'm going to give you the way, which is the manna, the bread from heaven, no longer gathering it up daily, but basically, if you want feasting on it, 'Taste and see that the LORD is good.' And I'm going to give you the life. Aaron's rod that budded, symbolizing the resurrected life; I'm going to give you that too, in My Son Jesus Christ, who is the First Goer.” And if you call yourself a Christian, you're a follower of Christ; you follow after Him in that same way. So I can't see how anyone would not want to look at the whole picture and say, “That's where I'm going to stand, the complete picture, all fulfilled in Christ.” For right now, that's my message, possibly to be continued, but that's my message. (Applause.) You have been watching me, Pastor Melissa Scott, live from Glendale, California at Faith Center.

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Understanding the Resurrected Life


Part of understanding how His Resurrection affects you life is what God was doing the day after Adam and Eve fell from grace. It didn't just start with your birth or with the coming of Christ. It started way back there and it's a whole history of redemptive process until God said, “This is the final way.” ♪ ♪ If we're going to talk about Easter, the first thing we have to talk about is that Jesus lived.

We shouldn't stop at the information in the Bible. I know a lot of people are reluctant. They read the Bible and say, “Oh, it's, it's a collection of good stories written, and we can't really”━save that for somebody who hasn't done the years of studying. But for the benefit of those people who are suspicious that this is just a mere collection of things, I step outside of the Bible for a minute to say you've got a first century Jewish historian, Josephus, who writes about Jesus. He does not say too much, but he does indeed admit that Jesus lived. You have evidence from the Babylonian Talmud, which was written between 70 A.D. and 200 A.D., although there, there is a continuation that takes you all the way up to 500 A.D., but the specific portions I'm interested in actually come around 80 A.D. and do indeed mention Jesus that He lived. He was not a figment of the people's imagination. And if you really want to go to the extremes, even the prophet Muhammad, who lived some 600 years, more or less, after Christ's death, in the early-600s when he was writing the Quran, he spoke of Jesus, although Jesus, in his version lived, Jesus was a mere prophet.

Nonetheless, even Muhammad acknowledged Jesus lived. And if you want to go even beyond that, you've got the writings of a Roman, non-Christian source in Tacitus recording Jesus and the life of Jesus. Pliny the Younger, who was the Roman governor of Bithynia Asia Minor, who wrote to the emperor Trajan in 112 A.D., asking what was the proper legal conduct, “What should we do about these followers of this one Jesus Christ?” And we know from these writings obviously that are outside the Bible, they are all talking about a living━a person who lived, not a figment or an invented persona. Also Lucian, the Greek satirist who wrote about second century A.D. as well, so there is abundant evidence outside the Bible for Jesus' living, being an actual person and not some made-up fabrication as some would tell you. The next bullet point is that Jesus was crucified. That's not difficult to believe, because crucifixion, and anybody studying, just even go beyond the Roman period, we've, actually here we've taken a look at crucifixion in a historical way to see that it existed long before the Romans took it up as punishment.

So there's no doubt in my mind if somebody says, “Well, could it be possible that this man was crucified?” Beyond, beyond plausible, as that was the punishment of that day. So two things: that Jesus lived and that He was crucified. If you start there, you're starting at a good place. You know, don't, if you, if you're not even willing to consider that He lived, don't even bother studying this, let alone that He was crucified. That He died on a cross, this is an important one, because there are many people who doubt━good Lord and Lord help us━that this methodology could kill anyone. Okay, well, I highly urge those people who are doubting of that to actually do some research to understand that the whole premise of this type of death was to be slow and painful, and that the victims didn't usually die because they were nailed to a cross.

But they usually would die from collapsed lungs or other things, not necessarily the first but second and tertiary events that would occur in the body to bring about death; and slow and painful usually. So we've got to put that there. But of course, there are many theories that people have propagated over time. For example, that He really didn't die on the cross, but He fainted, and when they took Him down from off the cross He resuscitated in, in the coolness of the tomb. Or that this is all made up. There, there's so many theories as to what really happened on the cross. In fact, if you google, “Did Jesus die on the cross?” you will find a lot of fantastic ideas. They're all fantastic, but if one actually understands the science, and there is a science behind crucifixion, the likelihood that any individual could actually survive crucifixion is slim and none.

So let's just put that there that Jesus did indeed die on a cross. All right, the fact that He was buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathaea, a high-ranking person in Jesus' day and this is important, because the controversy still goes to this day. There are two tombs in the Holy Land that people visit and people argue about which tomb. Let me help you out with this. We know from the Scriptures that Joseph of Arimathaea went to beg, went to Pilate to beg for the body of Christ. And the question must be asked: why Joseph of Arimathaea? See, there are a lot of minutia in Jewish law that most people don't know about, and one of them is that only next of kin could go and ask for a person's body.

That was basically according to actually both Roman and Jewish law. They both had their intricacies. We know that Joseph of Arimathaea was uncle to Mary, mother of Jesus. So put that down as one not so odd if you consider that. The greater oddity is that Joseph of Arimathaea was a high-ranking person in the Sanhedrin, and it is the body of the Sanhedrin, the 71 elders, that had the influence to crucify Jesus at the behest, by the way, of the Jewish leaders. Do not say all Jews, because His disciples, many of them were Jews, so at the behest of the Jewish leaders. So what's important here is we know Joseph of Arimathaea, much like Nicodemus was a secret follower or an underground follower of Christ. And something written in Mark 15:43, it says he was waiting expectantly for the kingdom of God. It didn't say he was devastated at the death of Christ, but he was waiting expectantly. That tells you that Joseph of Arimathaea believed what Jesus was saying about Himself. So put that as a one-second pause right there. Now, the other thing that's important to recognize is when we talk about the tomb.

As I said, I'm not going to argue about which tomb, but I am going to point out a few things that are of interest. As you know, there were Roman guards posted outside of the tomb. The tomb was closed with a large stone rolled in front of it and sealed with a Roman seal. Now let me give you the small details of that. The Roman guard would have been a detail of 16 guards, each guard responsible for a 6-square-foot area. And this is what people don't talk about. If you were a Roman guard and you fell asleep there was punishment. You would be beaten and you'd be burned in your clothes.

But not only that, the entire unit of guards would also be put to death. So it would behoove each guard to be keeping watch not only on the tomb, but on each other. You get my point? Hmm, okay, good. The stone, the stone weighing anywhere from one to two tons, and here's the, the magnificent thing. The stone would have been on a track somehow, grooved, but it would have been on a decline. That means that the stone would be easy or easier; two men could have, two men, two strong men could have facilitated rolling the stone to close it.

But because if was on a slant, two men could not push up to two tons up a hill. So the likelihood of somebody tampering, once it was closed, is very unlikely. Furthermore, the Roman seal put on the tomb itself; that seal, the breaking of that seal, which represented the authority of the Romans, breaking that seal was the death penalty. So you've got a whole, what we'll call it a conundrum of how do you explain all of this? You know, were the guards on the take? Did they accept a bribe? Come on, even if that happened, they all would have been put to death.

So when people talk about this, the tomb, it's important to understand this is not some cartoon version of what you think. There were a lot of details. And those details need not be excluded from a close examination. The tomb that Jesus was buried in was indeed, after the fact, after He rose, empty. And this is another interesting thing that we should discuss. The followers returned to find the stone rolled away and the body is not there, and in fact, at least in one or two records we have angelic beings saying, “He is not here; He is risen,” basically “go find where He is, you'll see Him.” If you go and read Matthew 28, it says that the Jews were saying that the disciples had stolen the body. Just by those words alone, they were acknowledging that the tomb was empty. Sorry, but you did it to yourself. And I could go on, but I'm trying to do this in a very quick fashion. The leaders who instigated the crucifixion had an agenda to try and disprove the Resurrection. Theories to deny or disprove the Resurrection were being circulated because, think of it this way and this is probably the most important thing I could say, if the Resurrection actually happened, who would have greatest problem on their hands? The Jewish leaders, why, because if it was true, if it was actually true and could be verified as true, let's just say that you were all part of this Jewish leader community and you had heard that this man rose from the dead and He was seen amongst His followers preaching, what would you do? I know what I'd do.

I'd jump ship from that conglomerate of people and I'd go follow the One that came out of the grave, as He said He would. So food for thought, this would have endangered the future of Judaism. And if you think about it, the Gospel starts in John with, “He came to his own, and his own received him not.” The idea that they could have acknowledged Him; now some did, as I said Joseph of Arimathaea is one, Nicodemus is another. And I'm sure we've got a catalog of many more, but the bulk and the vast majority, it would have injured their religious careers in the future, so their best interest is to disprove and put out as many ridiculous stories as possible. The disciples preached what they had seen: Christ was raised from the dead. The record tells me that Jesus called forth Lazarus. Now Lazarus had to die anyway to eventually live a resurrected life, but calling him forth was a sample in kind. And this is why the apostle Paul talks about “If Christ is not risen our faith is vain”; we're all gathered for naught.

But the fact of the matter is that if you want to talk about this, actually this book cover to cover has more people being raised from the dead. And I would say pre-Christ's incarnation, proof of God's ability to raise people up from the dead, then God sent His only begotten Son, tented in human flesh, and still continued to do the same thing that was being done in the Old Testament. You just have to read and wonder, why would such things be written? To give us false hope? Or did they actually happen? And in Lazarus' case, I believe it actually happened. The more important thing is as they were preaching that Christ raised from the dead, they also preached that He would be coming back, that He would ascend and that He was coming back. Now, we cannot relate to this, because 2,000 years ago something happened, but put yourself closer to the event and they were all waiting for His immediate return.

And that's what stoked the fire under the early church: “Christ is coming back!” “Christ is coming back!” So we have to kind of be mindful. They were all basically saying, the disciples were all saying the same thing: He is alive. He was crucified for our sins. That He was raised up just as He Himself had said He would. And that brings me to the next thing. How do you explain the birth and growth of the church? There is no logical explanation.

If you start from the day of Pentecost, there is no logical explanation for the testimony of hundreds of thousands that have been radically changed, but specifically the Scripture says so many thousands were brought into the church in one singular day. How does one explain that? Except the power of God, the speech that was coming forth that was so powerful, not the words themselves nor the speaker, but the power of God coming through that individual that moved the hearers. So you can say, “Well, if this is not true, these poor, delusional followers, they were making up a lie, they built a church on a lie,” but you still have some problems explaining how. Remember, these are just regular people, how did they remember? How did they come up with? Why is it that people were gravitating towards these people and expressing things like the belief that these individuals had “super powers”? And I use that term, they thought it of Peter, they thought it of Paul, except that they had been endued by the Holy Spirit, which Jesus said, “If I go not away, I can't send the One basically who will do this for you.” Now you're either reading the most fantastic woven tale or you're reading an absolute chronicle of what happened.

And I get it. I, I understand people would say, perhaps they were just protecting the memory of their dead leader that they loved so much that they'd do anything to keep perpetuating a lie to protect this poor, dead Jew. You think about it. The problem is if you would think about how they all dispersed, Jesus told them before He left and ascended, He said, “Go into all the corners of the earth and make learners basically of all that I've told you.” And that would only be made possible, by the way, by the power of the Holy Spirit. And we know they all took off in far-flung corners of the earth.

They all, they all went in different directions and they all started repeating the same message: Jesus was raised from the dead, just as He said He would after a set period of time, three days, three nights, just as Jesus, He Himself had said, “There will be no other sign but the sign of Jonah.” And interestingly enough, you've got perhaps the most doubting person of them all, Thomas, who by the way, had the exposure, he was with all the other disciples, and yet he's the only one that would not actually believe that Jesus was risen, until the Lord appeared in front of him and he could touch the nail-pierced part of His body, look at where He was pierced on His side. And that brought about the exclamation or his declaration, “My Lord, my God,” the reality, “Oh my God, this is true.” Now I think there are a lot more Thomases than anything else.

And a lot of people, who can be following in the church, who can be going along with this great, “Let's just gather and waste an hour's time every Sunday,” much like Thomas. But here's where the rubber meets the road. At some point exposure to all this is going to produce something. It's not for, it's not just for entertainment value, it's not an educational purpose, if you will. Thomas, the most doubting one goes off to the most philosophical part of the world, India, think about that, to preach and proclaim Christ. We still have Thomas; basically they're called Thomas, Indian Thomas. There's different denominations, but they all have “Thomas” in them to this day.

So you think about that. What would it take to make you pick up, let's just put ourselves in modern times, pick up from California, although for me it wouldn't take much, but what would it take for you to pick up from California and, say, go to Turkey and start teaching people over there. You don't even speak their language, and start talking to them about everything that you've learned from this book. And you'd have to say, “You're out of your mind.” Well, that's what I'm saying to you. These people were either out of their mind or what they were telling was the absolute truth. But on top of all that, as I've repeated year after year, they all died terrible martyrs' death, all but John, and John probably would have died.

They dipped him in hot oil, burnt his body and somehow he was spared. And I believe the reason he was spared is to be exiled to Patmos that God would give him the final Revelation, the book of Revelation. I believe that's why he was spared, like God was saying, “Wait, wait, wait! I've got to save this one because this one I'm going to use to write the last chapter of the book.” But all the others died a terrible death. And it was very simple. They all could have said, “Oh, we're lying! We made it up!” to be spared, but none of them changed their tune.

None of them stopped preaching. In fact, they all went their death saying, “He rose, He ascended, He's coming back.” Think about that. And I don't know about you, but at some point even the most hardened criminals will usually roll, and they'll usually to spare, to save themselves. So there's a lot to put into this. And then, of course, as I've pointed out we can talk about the disciples, and we can talk about Christ, but as I introduced to you probably a couple of years ago the most important factor for me is one who was not part of the disciples.

He was a zealous Jew, Saul of Tarsus who became the apostle Paul. He was not part of the close band of followers. In fact, he persecuted the church; he persecuted Christians. And you tell me why a man who had everything going for him; he's a member of a high religious council, he's highly respected, he's doing his own commission, which is to go and persecute and stone and kill Christians. What is the interest or the value for him to make up a story that he had an encounter with Christ? And Christ said, “Why are you doing this?” What is the; what's the benefit? You're going to be ostracized from your community, you will become persona non grata, no one is ever going to let you back into that circle, because you're a traitor for━in their eyes you're a traitor, you deserve to die; an infidel. So what was the benefit of the apostle Paul to make up this story? There is none, except that he had an encounter that changed his life and the consequences for him, it was more important for him to preach Christ than to revert back or to, excuse me, cover his derrière about anything.

He could have gone back and said, “Yeah, I met the guy; nothing to it,” and kept on doing what he was doing, but he didn't; a complete life change, radically changed. In fact, all of the disciples were transformed. There isn't one of them that wasn't changed or touched by an encounter and time with Christ. Peter, from the impetuous, fast-talking big mouth, to the man who stands up and collected and in measured, we'll call it eloquent oration, preaches the sermon on the day of Pentecost.

The two brothers, but specifically John, they were known as “the sons of thunder,” and in the Bible, John is known as the disciple of love. And we could probably catalog even, by the way, Judas. Although I said he wasn't affected, he had to be somewhat transformed, because at the very end he does end up repenting and feeling bad for the deed he did. See, when you actually are exposed to the evidence, the Resurrection of Christ, if you study it, believe it, have analyzed it, it should change the way you think, your mindset.

That's the first one. Write it down if you will, because someday somebody is going to ask you, “What? What is the purpose of all this?” Once a person has truly looked at the evidence with an open mind, I believe it changes the way you think about almost everything. The apostle Paul wrote something, which you've heard me reference many times over, but put it in the context of this message. He said that those that basically live in the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, and those that live in the Spirit mind the things of the Spirit. People who are unaffected by this message are still living in the flesh. They heard it, many people will hear it, but they don't know what it is to live in the Spirit.

And let me dial this back a little bit. The conversation that was had between Jesus and Nicodemus, and He says clearly to Nicodemus, because Nicodemus is asking the question, “Well, how? How am I saved?” “You must be born again from above.” Do not use the expression “I'm a born-again Christian” unless you understand what that is. All Christians are born again from above, that is the Greek word: to be born again from above; the second birth. The first one is when you came out of the womb, so put that down as correct verbiage. And Jesus says basically the Spirit goes where it wills. Someone who is born from above, the Spirit will come and inhabit them.

Don't think that it's going to make you speak in tongues, roll on the ground, jump up and down, and do crazy stuff. I've said to you before the Spirit of God is given for service. And service is not limited to the pastorate. Service is across the board. It empowers people, it helps you to remember the Scripture, it keeps us guided, directed; there's a whole host of things. If you, especially reading the book of John, you can see how this actually would affect yours and my life. Now I'm standing in front of you. And if somebody said to me, “Well, I, I don't know how it could change the mindset,” then listen to me, because I came into the church, you've heard me say this before and this is not personal testimony; this is a fact. I came in the church in the mid-'90s, the early-, mid-'90s. I did not know one verse of Scripture, not one. Now, do I just have a good memory? No, that's just not true. But Christ's words say, “If you abide in My word, My word will abide in you.” That's the essence of John 15.

Think about that. You don't need to be━I've met people who are writing down verses of Scripture, trying to remember them. That's not going to help you. That's like what you do in the flesh. But mining the Spirit is being in here, and let this word, as the apostle Paul said, “Dwell richly in you.” That is the first marker of the Resurrected life: you have interest in the word of God.

You don't just read it on Sunday, and it's living in you, it's guiding you, it's giving you direction. So what about the people who read this and are still unaffected? I'm going to tell you that that's a big problem, because I believe there are people who hear, they've heard the message, but nothing else has penetrated. There's no word dwelling in them. No, I'm not your judge.

I can't know like the person who criticized me and said, “I don't even know if she's saved.” I can't tell you who's saved and who's not. That's God's job. That's God's responsibility, but I can tell you change of mindset is at the top of the list. Now, why does the Resurrection matter? We're still sinners. We are covered by the blood of Jesus, washed and forgiven by the blood, but I still sin every day. I'm not going to stand here and lie and say, “Well, I don't sin anymore.” We're all sinners, every single one of us. 1 John says, anyone who says they don't sin is a liar, and the truth is not in you. And there's way too many pastors and parishioners, who think once they've come to the Lord, they sin no more. Good luck, because you're still wearing your Adam attire, surprise. Don't run out with some perfectionist ideology that somehow because you came to the faith you're perfect. There's only one perfect One, that's Christ.

But learning about Him, His word, and His way is part of our life. So the Resurrection matters on so many levels. This is probably the biggest one and the one every time I talk about this I have people that just, they do this. One day we're all going to be dead. Period. I will be dead too. Everybody has a time. I don't care what science is coming up with. So somebody who doesn't want to talk about death, and I've met people like that, “Oh, I can't talk about that.” It means the resurrected life; an understanding of the resurrected life has not penetrated into your soul.

“What do you mean?” I'm saying exactly what I mean. Here, go back to the disciples, their beloved Master, who foretold of His death multiple times over, and of course, while He was alive, “No, no, no! Be it far from You! No, no, this can't happen,” right. They didn't understand. But how is it that after He died, rose, and ascended, they were able to go out and talk about His death? They talked about His death in light of the Resurrection, the ascension, and His return. And the Scripture is abundantly clear. Jesus was the First Goer, the first of His kind, which means anyone who calls themselves a Christian following Christ will follow in His footsteps, which means when we read, “Death has no more sting” over the believer, that's what it means. It doesn't mean that losing a loved one is not going to hurt; it will, but that's the flesh part. And trust me; I know there are a lot of widowers in the sound of my voice.

It does not take away the sting, it does not take away the absence or the void, it does not. But what it does do is it lets you look at the reality. That person devoted to Christ; Christ is not a liar, if Christ said basically, “I am the First Goer,” and you're following Him, you too shall follow as He did. That means that you too will enjoy the resurrected life.

Now, somebody who has not got the mindset, I don't care what you think. There isn't some playing tiddlywinks when the end comes. Let me show you something. I know I haven't opened up the Scripture very much, but let me show you something that has an impact for me. In Luke 16 the passage about the rich man and Lazarus, and, and if you read this with the eyes I'm speaking about it will really make sense to you, “A certain rich man, clothed in purple, fine linen, fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. He cried, saying, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in torment in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things,” just for a little footnote, Lazarus received evil things.

What does that mean? It means probably that he suffered. He probably didn't have money. He probably grappled with a lot of the things that we grapple with; that's “evil things,” whatever that is, “but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.” In other words, you spent your time here on earth pleasuring yourself with the pleasures of this good earth, but not paying attention to God. And what comes next is what I want you to focus on: “And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so they, so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass from us,” basically, if you understand this and all the other things that are said about heaven and hell, there is a great divide, there is a chasm. The resurrected mindset fixed on Christ, understanding we too shall rise that there are sometimes, we'll call them mild or light afflictions, which Paul talked about, which are only for a time.

Don't think that because something is happening to you that God isn't with you. Actually, usually it might be a sign that God is with you, that He's letting certain things buffet you, just like He did to many of the people in the book. But it drives home the point. There is a great divide between those who have a changed mindset towards death, dying, and the Resurrection versus those who may have heard it but are indifferent, don't care, couldn't be bothered by it; a great gulf fixed. So you know, you might say, “Well, that's pretty terrible.” But if you think about it, and if you believe the proofs, Jesus is the tangible proof, and so many times in the book, it says, “to him that overcometh death.” So you know, I'm thinking to myself there is something to be said there in our understanding.

You are either fearful of that, it brings about fear, it brings about the shiverings; that's the flesh. The Spirit says, “When it's my time, I'm going to go be with the Lord.” I don't exactly know 100 percent what exactly that's going to look like, but that's what I'm told multiple times over. That makes for good doctrine. That makes me stand on that rock to say, “That's that”" Now, you might say, “Well, how are you dividing this?” Let me show you from Christ's own words. People came to Him and said, “Lord, Lord, Lord! We did this in Your name and we did that.” What did He say to them? “Depart from Me.” Why? “I never knew you.” Do you think all these things are written so that we can just read a good story, or are they given to us as instruction? “I never knew you” means you never spent the time to know who He is to get acquainted with Him to even have a relationship: “Depart from Me; I never knew you.” I want you to think about that, because that changed mindset would bring about somebody who says, “I need to know everything I can know about Christ,” and not just as a onetime deal like you read an article in the newspaper.

I need to know everything I can know about the One who said these words. And I'll tell you for me, I, I would pray I never hear, “Depart from Me, I never knew you,” but rather I'm hoping it will be, “Enter in; well done, good and faithful servant.” The idea here, a lot of people come, even in Jesus' day, with lip service. Now we just kind of discount that in today's world, because you know, there, there's different levels of people in the church. They have different levels of faith, different levels of all kinds of things, but we all have one thing united that binds us all together. That is you do not have an excuse for not taking the time to learn and to know about Christ; again, a changed mindset would bring about that frame of reference. And as I said, many of us start off like Thomas, doubting. We're exposed to it, “Yeah, I don't know.” But let me tell you what happens when you spend time in this book. You come as close as humanly possible to touching the nail, the nail holes or the scars, if you will, of Christ as Thomas did when you spend time in this book learning about Him.

That's as close as you're going to come in this lifetime. Don't think there's going go be some other thing to come and show you; there isn't. So you may start off as a Thomas, and that's fine, but eventually, as I said, spending time in this book is going to reveal certain things to you that may actually make you just like Thomas say, “Oh, my God; this is all true!” I, I hope and I pray for that. I, I don't know if anything I can say can bring that about because I know it's not possible. Only God can do that. We call that prevenient grace; God is the Initiator. Okay, what else happens if I am focused on this resurrected life? What other things will be impacted in my life if I understand; I've looked at the Resurrection, I've looked at all the proofs? Okay, it all happened, what else? Tell me honestly; don't put cameras on anybody.

Tell me honestly; is there anybody here in the sound of my voice that still grapples with forgiveness or being forgiven? Okay, that's a lot of you. That's actually most people. When I traveled, here's the best place to find out, into the institutions, into the jails, into the prisons, even with inmates that had really been, you could tell they were in the word, not just passing time reading. They were in the word. They still grappled with something, whether it was guilt of the event or many times over we'd hear the expression, “But I can't forgive myself.” Do you remember that? “I can't forgive myself.” And the idea is you don't have to be a hardened criminal or be incarcerated for that to be your mindset. See, what happens is what regrets or mistakes we make, Jesus offers forgiveness to each and every one of us, because the Bible says, “While we were yet sinners, Christ died.” Again, you'd have to believe all that. You'd have to believe that that was the purpose of teaching the disciples to forgive one another, because in a microcosm how those instructions affect our lives also affect our relationship with God.

You may not see it that way, but that is the truth. Holding something in is a blockade, not letting go of it is a blockade between you and God. So the resurrected mindset says, “I'm going to work at this until I can figure out what it actually means.” You're looking at the evidence of that. I've told you the story many times, but hear it again in this particular message. The wrongs that were done to me in the first few years of ministry, the attempt to try and violate, tear down, rip apart, from some of the closest people; by the way, most of, a good chunk of these people are now dead. And I'm not going to say where they are, because I don't know. I really don't. I can have speculation, but I don't know. The very people that were trusted, insiders even, who tried to rip apart this ministry and told lies and you know, I'll just say it.

Here's a man who was even let in the most personal space, got to sit on Festival and talk to you all, who was in the room when Dr. Scott gave the final orders. They were, they were in writing already, but gave the final orders and spoke them out in this person's ear just before he had fallen into a stroke. Actually, it was, it was before he was in the hospital. This person turned around and said, “Oh, I, I don't know of any orders. I think she just usurped the position.” That spawned a whole bunch of people who listened to that person saying, “Well, she's a usurper,” that spawned other people making up lies. And it just became an implosion of people trying to attack. And I understood. It took me a while to process this; I don't even know how, because I am not wired this way. I was never wired this way. I was never good at forgiving; never. But I remember sitting in what was our old library, on the floor with my Bible praying and asking God to help me, because it was weighing so hard on me, “How could all these people be believers, followers of Christ, instructed in the word,” and yet they were hell-bent on destroying me and this ministry.

And I sat and I prayed, and I started reading the Scriptures and it dawned on me: I have to let all that go and release them. Not, I don't have to tell it to their face, I don't even have to ever see them again, shake their hand, do nothing. I have to release that. I have to forgive them before God, and theirs is the problem, not mine. I didn't commit the wrong.

Now sins against fellowman we forgive, we can forgive each other. Sins against God and the body of Christ, that's not for me to forgive. So I forgave the part that I could. The rest of it I left with God, because there was a lot of stuff against God and His work that, I'm not God, I'm not put in that position to do. Guess what happened? It happened in front of your eyes. I went from being so weighed down it was almost crippling that I couldn't even talk to you to one day after many months of processing the Scriptures and praying about it the clarity came to me. And it was like some heavy weight had been lifted off my back. And no, God didn't speak me in audible terms, but it became clear to me from Scripture that that is God's way. That's why He told Peter when Peter asked, “How many times should I forgive, Lord?” And basically Jesus' answer is “Indefinitely.” Well, in the flesh I can't do that.

That's right, but in the Spirit it's possible. So you think about these things how it changes everything, but forgiveness, I must digress back to that. If you read the Scriptures, how many times did Jesus say, “Your sins are forgiven; go and sin no more”? And we always take that out of context, but idea is that the Lord Himself looked upon people and forgave them. And remember what, what somebody said to Jesus, “Only God can forgive sins,” well, there you go. Forgiveness happened fully and completely on the cross to reconcile fallen man back to God, not to be put in the state of original Adam, but to be put back in the state to be able at some point to be eternally with God. So all I can tell you is part of understanding how His Resurrection affects you life is what God was doing the day after Adam and Eve fell from grace. It didn't just start with your birth or with the coming of Christ. It started way back there and it's a whole history of redemptive process until God said, “This is the final way.” I've been teaching on the tabernacle trying to show you that even there God was saying, “Christ is the way,” except Christ hadn't come in the flesh yet.

So by different shadows and types the depiction of Christ, His vicarious sacrifice; you can list all of them, they're all there. Don't think I'm preaching on the tabernacle because I want to talk about furniture. He knows our frame. I wish I could say this colloquially, because it would hit home for some of you. He knows how messed up we all are. Don't think; you're not fooling me and you're not fooling God and I'm not going to fool you; we're all messed up. There is no person in the sound of my voice that isn't a little messed up in the head, and God knows that. Only some delusional person would say, “Well, some of you are and some of you aren't”━you're all messed up! I'm messed up! And that's part of forgiveness is understanding our frame. You can be the most; you could be a strong person on the outside. You can give all the verbiage of strength, but inside, I don't care if you're a man or a woman, you are as frail and as weak in the frame that God knows that.

Not designed to be a stoic. This is my grievance with some people. They think somehow, “I can't possibly show any weakness at all.” Try that with God, because God knows the façade, He knows the games and the charades we play. That is, by the way, a changed mind before God through the Resurrection will change that. The next one is hope; hope is a part of the future as in life and death, hope through the resurrected Christ offers something else, the ability to see how He is able to help you when everything else is lost, bleak, and gone. Now, that's not battlefield prayers. That's hope that's always been there. That's the knowledge that, and don't misinterpret this, we spend our entire lives messing things up. We do. Even with good intentions, even with the best of intentions. He doesn't somehow with a magic wand fix everything, but it is through the things we mess up. If you're willing to see the direction that He gives, there's hope in watching how God will use certain things to help shape and form and give us direction.

That can give great hope, when you understand that not everything is a disaster. Let me give you a perfect case in point. Look at this crazy world. It looks like it's gone off the rails completely. Would you agree? (Yes, ma'am) But hope, for me, is looking at this crazy world and understanding something that for some people these current events are going to drive people who would never pray and never ask God, “Help me,” that gives me hope that not all is lost, because you know, God has a way of bringing the ones that He wants to their knees. And that may come sometimes through sickness, it may come through loss, poverty; you name it, but God has a way, knowing exactly what it is that will bring me to my knees; same for you. That gives me hope.

And you might say, “Well, what kind of hope is that?” It's the hope that I'm not alone in this world, even when I feel like it. It's the hope that through all of this, I know this sounds like a really cheesy statement, but I have a singular most important Friend, who will never leave me. So when everybody else is running because they're scared, I know the One who not abandon me. That gives me hope. What else will this do? Well, it will definitely change your heart. And by that I mean, and I hope this one hits home, how many people will listen and not have a change of heart? And by that I mean they will never make an attempt to understand what being part of the kingdom of God and being a child of God is. That means I'm part of, I'm actually part of a community of believers. I belong somewhere.

I am not some outsider. Do you know how many people I've heard say, “Well, I come to church, but”━you don't have to come to church to be a Christian. But a changed heart says, “I actually long to be amongst people that are likeminded.” Just think on that. A change of heart can also bring about a change of mind when it comes to things like giving. I know people that are so greedy or so cheap or so tightwad, the idea of actually giving every single week or month to the work of the ministry is absurd, “Oh, no.

I've got to keep the money in my bank account. I might need it. I've got to buy myself something,” fill in the blanks. But I, I'm sure about this; you have a medical emergency, you'll, you'll find the money for that. You have something dire, you've got life or death, you'll find the money for that. And don't tell me that understanding about God isn't life and death either.

See, that change of heart changes everything. Now some people come into the church, and let me talk about this for a minute. Some people come into the church and they are not generous, they are not givers, they have no understanding; they just come. They're happy to just be. And I get that. But at some point there's a nagging that starts to happen, “What can I do? How can I help? What is there more than just sitting in a seat and listening? What is it?” That is the genesis, and I've seen it; trust me, with a lot of new people that have come, “What? What more can I do? How can I help?” And it's not because they believe their help is an embodiment of works; they want to put their hand to the plow and participate, because anybody who understands the work of God and the work of the ministry and doesn't make it into a caricature, you can't help yourself.

And with the resurrected mind you cannot stop yourself, you are going to be, in fact, I've had this problem of telling people don't be here so much. Now you think, “Oh, okay, this person's got problems at home, that's why they don't want to be here, right?” Wrong. You've got husbands and wives coming to fulfill commitments together. That's not because there's a problem in the home. I can give you all kinds of scenarios, but I can also give you the people who give excuses, “Somebody else is doing it. Oh, I'm not really needed.” That's not the mind of Christ. The mind of Christ says, “How can I participate?” Like the disciples who were called, maybe initially they didn't understand what Jesus meant when He said, “I'll make you fishers of men from mere fishermen.” But you come in contact with the resurrected Christ and you take in that evidence and the change occurs, you might actually see it's not going to be some change from A to Z, but the context, the frame of reference, your focus will be different; it will be changed.

Or you'll be like I said the one who's indifferent and decides, “No, not my problem.” That's the flesh talking, by the way, not the Spirit. So I will say one last thing on this, on this particular sub-header here, and that is when I look at some of the most famous converts, which I would highly urge some of you if you are still not hearing down to the core, read the story of the most reluctant convert, C. S. Lewis and how his friends, like J. R. Tolkien, who I believe was a Catholic, but influenced in his inimitable way. But C. S. Lewis didn't come to the faith because of Tolkien. He came to the faith because of God. And there's a whole list of these, but you know what is amazing? From a man who discounted and said, “This is all mere rubbish,” and he goes on to write what I would call one of the most genius books that children and adults alike can read and enjoy, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, which is cloaked in Christian symbolism all the way through.

And you read that book and it has to make you shake your head for a minute that this was written by someone who absolutely discounted the faith, let alone reading the Bible. There's something to this that somehow if we are really looking at the evidence and we're really looking at everything what comes after that is a change. And as I said, it may not happen instantaneously, it may happen over time. Some people will frustrate the grace of God because they say, “Well, maybe I'm turning soft, or maybe I'm becoming this.” But the greatest thing that I can tell you that I have seen with my own eyes, I have watched people, not just for 18 years, but for all the time I've been with this ministry I have watched people that were living a certain way, and not under the, the coercion of anybody else, but they came to a conclusion: this has to stop, this has to change.

And not just words, with my own eyes I've seen. And I'm not going to stand here and take the time to calculate and enumerate how many. That's not the point. The point is exposure to the evidence should produce a change, a change in heart, a change in mind, a change in attitude; a change, by the way, that starts with I'm interested in learning more, tell me more. And maybe like many people who tune in, they say, “I'm not sure that I understand everything you said.” That's okay, because I didn't understand everything at the first. And most people; tell the truth, so that the world can hear. When you came in and you first started listening, did it all make sense to you? (No, Ma'am.) So don't think out there that you're somehow unique because you don't understand. It's called tenacity to stay with the stuff until something clicks, the lights come on, and you actually say, “Oh, my God! Why didn't I see this sooner?” How many, that's, that was my experience, why didn't I see this sooner.

How unfair is that that God didn't open my eyes sooner? But thank God He did. And that's the attitude we have to summarize and, and stay with. So, yes, maybe sometimes your pastor gets a little analytical or she gets a little parsing and things, but I wanted to keep this as simple as possible for the people out there that say, “What am I supposed to do?” I've given you enough in this to tell you there should be something that happens, and don't expect it to be something radical, something overnight; things that happen over time.

And I, I urge you to just consider this one thing. The disciples were with Christ for over three years. Did they change in three years? No. What changed them? The Resurrection, that single event, not just analyzing it, not just being a witness to it; that singular event just radically changed everything. And that same process, don't think that that event stopped and there was a terminus. You know, the terminus will be when God says, “I have enough souls. The number of souls that I desire to have with Me in My eternal kingdom has been met,” whatever that is. I have no idea. And when that number is fulfilled and God says, “Okay, the time is up here on earth.” But that shouldn't scare anyone who has this mind, because it opens the door to something else.

You know, this age we live in where people want to live forever and it's chasing after the fountain of youth, and “How can I keep this? And how can I hold onto it?” instead of thinking this old thing is going to rot. I'm more interested in the eternal clothing I'm going to get that I get to wear forever that I don't have to think about disease, I don't have to think about wrinkles, dying, disease, what I, whatever I just said in multiply it by a million, because everything will be magnified in the positive with Christ, with Him forever. That is really if you take; the takeaway from all this is about the kingdom of God. And the kingdom of God starts the moment a person's eyes are opened. And I don't just mean because you heard, but the words have sunk down, taken root, and somehow that change is happening. My prayer today is for all those people who have not even understood what the application is, that your eyes may be opened and that something starts to click with you that this is not some exercise like a checkbook that you just check off that “I've done that,” but rather, a process that will last until you depart from this earth.

And the process is a beautiful one; pain along the way, there's some tumult along the way, there's some suffering along the way, but all the while you recognize there's a purpose in all of this. My purpose I understand, your purpose I understand, is to be a child of God in the kingdom with Him forever. That can only be understood in the Spirit. And I can't make somebody have the Spirit, but somebody who's desiring, somebody who earnestly wants, they will come to that conclusion and understand that's God's job and He is still doing. What He did back here in the book He's still doing today. So you say to me, “Well, change hasn't happened to me yet.” Be patient, my friends. Stay in the word and keep looking unto Him who is able to accomplish all in your life. That's my message. You have been watching me, Pastor Melissa Scott, live from Glendale, California at Faith Center. If you would like to attend the service with us, Sunday morning at 11am, simply call 1-800-338-3030 to receive your pass.

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The Concept of Biblical Numerology


foreign [Music] for people who do not understand biblical numerology seven I'll give you examples you can understand seven days makes a complete week does it not thank God all right so seven if you're reading the book of Revelation that's a number that keeps reappearing why because in the Book of Revelation It's the final basically outflow of God's message to humanity and seven is a number that keeps reappearing over and over to say this is a complete Perfection fulfillment of what God has laid out as his plan speaking for Humanity on Earth until something else happens so you look at it that way as I said seven and four are not added they are multiplied and there is a reason for that and I'm going to explain this this may not make sense to all but try and bear with me if you remember the passage where Christ is being tempted the Temptation Of Christ and Satan comes and several times tries to twist scripture it's important to see that while Christ was being tempted he did not succumb he still remained within the Temptation he remained perfect now when you try to look at this as how we're going to do math all right and these in all of these it's almost like saying he was tempted but he was still perfect he remained sinless he did not succumb when we're looking at adding the numbers up it's not this plus this plus that it's almost an intensification which brings about multiplication so many times when we reference for example there are passages in the Bible that talk about punishment punishment that's upcoming in weeks in terms of weeks it's usually multiplied so when we count in Bible Concepts it's usually multiplication it's not Plus and I'm probably sure I lost a couple of people with the Temptation Of Christ but the idea is it's intensified in it's not added on to [Music] you [Music] so Tuesday coming to this house

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The Purpose of the Golden Altar and Table of Showbread


I think it's safe to say when we talk about prayer and pray without ceasing in the context of the altar, the same concepts, I don't think it necessarily means that you are to pray in the sense of, you know, I'm going to lock myself in a room and for, for ten hours I'm just going to not stop praying. If you want to do that that's your business, but the idea is that it is perpetual, it's continual. That means whatever I might have prayed for yesterday, I may come back again tomorrow and do the same thing and likewise and so on. And I think that's where people get a little bit nutty. They think taking it literally, which is I will, I will pray without ceasing, I will pray at all times. No one can pray at all times, okay. Just get, get that idea out of your head. ♪ ♪ So we've been studying the tabernacle in the wilderness, its particular; its dimensions, its material, colors, the structure itself, and the furniture therein. And today I want us to turn our attention to the table of showbread, the showbread, and if times permits, we will move onto the golden altar.

But here is what's important. So this table, which you'll find in a diversity of places, but in Exodus, specifically the mention for the building of the table, which is sometimes called “the table of showbread,” sometimes called “the pure table,” when eventually when we get to Solomon's temple it will be called the temple of; “the table of gold,” but again, made of acacia wood. If you remember I said to you there's a translation from the Septuagint, which is the Greek version of the Old Testament, and if you read the Septuagint version of these verses and passages, they call the translation of the acacia wood is “incorruptible wood.” And I think that's really pretty cool.

Always overlaid with pure gold; and the dimensions of the table, two cubits in length, and if you heard me explain the cubit, from the elbow approximately to the length of the, we'll call it the middle finger would have been a cubit, so two cubits in length and one cubit in breadth and one-and-a-half cubits in height. And as I've said, the numbers always mean something. And I've done enough on the numbers that you could probably go back into the other messages and see what those, if you don't know them, what the numbers symbolize. I've already explained the gold, referring to Christ's divinity and the acacia wood referring to His humanity, which He was both all at once. So I love that these pieces of furniture, except for the candlestick, which we saw, which was pure gold, I like that everything in here points to a description. Which, by the way, think about this: God could have just said, “Make everything out of gold.” They had enough, by the way. Don't think they didn't have enough; they had enough. Remember, at some point God says, “Tell them to stop bringing; we have too much.” Remember that? So it's not as though they couldn't have done it some other way.

This was God's design and this is why you read in the New Testament, “See to it that you build it exactly according to the pattern.” Why, because there was built into that pattern, we'll call them the shadows and types that reveal and point to Christ. So this table had two, what are referred to as crowns, separated by a border and four golden rings, one at each corner through which poles or “staves” would be put through in order to carry that table when it was time to move. I also want you to keep in mind; obviously they wandered in the wilderness for forty years, so I want you to keep in mind that everything that God did here, pretty interesting that God saw this is going to be a moving event, perpetually. So the fact that everything is incorporated into the design is, is pretty interesting, because you know, if you think about it, we humans would go, “Okay, let's build a table,” but we wouldn't think maybe of putting the rings on for the staves, because we don't; it would be an afterthought. God included all this in the design.

So what I like about this is if you're reading about the table itself, when it says it has two crowns, there are three pieces of furniture mentioned with crowns, and I think this is not an accident either. The ark of the covenant has what's referred to as “crowns” on it, the table of showbread, and the golden altar. And I need to say something here, because I hope I haven't confused people, who don't maybe have this down pat. The brasen altar, which is outside versus the golden altar of incense, which is what we're talking about; I'm moving towards that, which would have been on the, in the same realm, if you will, of the candlestick, in that same area. So three pieces of furniture that had crowns on them, and what's interesting about this is these three pieces of furniture at some point we might take a bird's-eye view, but having these crowns, I thought it interesting that the table, in fact, has what I would call a double crown on it. And I don't think it's an accident.

Obviously crowns in this case, at this point in time, can only have two references. One would be to the miter that the high priest would wear, which was referred to as a “holy crown,” and that obviously of a king. And if you think about it, Jesus fulfilled both the high priest and kingly role, so when you read about, for example, two crowns on one piece of furniture, it, to me, fulfills both of those roles. This is a lot of, as I said, type. We're looking at types, but you know, if you look at all the furniture it is not a mistake.

As I said, the numbers, for example, we're talking about four corners in this case of the table, which I've already said in numbers, four corners of the earth, like we have four seasons or four quarters. These numbers are incredibly important. The same thing, this table is described as having four feet. Luckily it has four and not two. You'll get that one later. Again, balance, representing what will be presented to the whole earth or what's available to the whole earth. So I love all of these examples in type. But the table itself would have twelve loaves of bread weekly, basically. So these twelve loaves would be baked and placed on the table every week, and at a certain set time during the week these loaves would be replaced. And we know from different parts of the Bible there's an explanation that once this bread basically has been replaced, the old bread can be consumed by the priests.

So it's almost as though everything in the tabernacle has a purpose. There's really no waste. And as I said, kind of interesting, if you go to the book of Leviticus; Leviticus, for example, explains in just a few verses about the showbread. Leviticus 24 says, “Thou shalt take the fine flour, bake twelve cakes thereof: two tenths deals shall be in one cake.” And you see, even that you might think, “Well, why is that important: 'two tenths deals shall be in one cake'?” I'll tell you in a minute. “Thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, upon the pure table before the LORD,” there it is. It's not called “the table of showbread,” but “the pure table,” right there. “Thou shalt put pure frankincense upon each row, that it may be on the bread for a memorial, even an offering made by fire unto the LORD. And every sabbath he shall set in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant. And it shall be Aaron's and his sons'; and they shall eat it in the holy place: for it is most holy unto him of the offerings of the LORD made by fire by a perpetual statute.” So it's kind of interesting this bread, baked every week, but the two tenths deal kind of got my attention, and why is that? Because if you read some of the other places where you find this “two tenth deal” for, for example the meal offering in the feast day of the sheaf of the firstfruits was to be two tenths deal of fine flour.

The wave offering, for example in the feast of Pentecost, the same thing: two tenths deal of flour. But the manna that was to be gathered on the sixth day of the week, you would actually end up with a double portion, because you had to gather twice as much, because you were not allowed to gather on a set day that was set aside where no gathering could occur. So I want you to think about this. It's equally interesting that the twelve loaves, inside each loaf basically would contain a double portion.

And that might not hit you right away, because the loaves are a little bit tricky to explain in their type, in their meaning, but I'll, hopefully I'll get to it. And then you come back to the understanding of the manna. And the manna has, I think, kind of baffled a lot of people. And I say that because, think it, think of it this way. God rains down this light bread, which the people, after they murmured that they were hungry, right, God rains down this light bread, the “what-cha-ma-call-it,” right, gives them instruction on how to gather, what basically what to do with it, and so forth. And one of the stranger things is when the instructions are given to gather up manna and put it in a pot that will be placed inside the ark, along with Aaron's rod that budded and the unbroken tables of stone, but what's strange is those, that manna that's placed inside the ark is, it's called something, we'll call it continuous or perpetually contained in the ark. And we'll say once the lid or the mercy seat was placed upon the ark, covered and not seen anymore.

And I've said this for many weeks now, with people asking, “Where's the ark?” When you read in the book of Revelation, and I believe it's in the second chapter, it talks about “To him that overcomes I will give to; to him I will give to eat of the hidden manna.” That's why I said to you be very careful to not exclude Scriptures that tell you that God had a purpose in taking away the ark. So think about that. While all of these mystery hunters out there think they're going to solve the problem and it will be an “Aha moment,” uh, okay. Knock yourselves out. So with that being said, I also read here about this frankincense that would be placed upon the loaves. And then of course, these loaves would be replenished weekly. Now, frankincense, there's kind of this shades of meaning. It can be representing holiness, righteousness, truth, even deity.

But if you recall of the gifts that were brought to the Christ child, it was gold, frankincense, and myrrh. And we know that there in those offerings we see a type again. The gold obviously was representing His divinity or His deity, the myrrh in preparation for His death, and the frankincense we can kind of ambiguously say either sweet savor, sweet aroma to God, but also His righteousness. There's a whole━there's kind of that. So applied to the bread it becomes, well, what would be the purpose if the bread, by the way, is going to be consumed by the priests? But it's, it is consecrated bread, in some places called “consecrated bread,” other places called “hallowed bread.” So why would God have them put this frankincense on there? And I think a lot of times there's, there's all these little nifty things we can read about, but the frankincense could also serve as a form of preservative.

So imagine, you know what happens when you leave something out, especially bread. What happens after a week of it being exposed? It's nice and hard, right. So I'm assuming that the frankincense actually had a preservative-type action with the bread. There's something else that's equally interesting about the bread. We read that the bread was pierced. And I think that's interesting, because the bread had to be pierced in order for it to rise.

Do I need to explain that one? That's pretty━okay, but I'm going to do it for the sake of the people that say, “Okay, well what? What the hell did she just say?” So if the bread, remember this I said it's tricky, because the bread is actually an offering out of God's provision from, basically from God, the people take it, and then the people bring it back as an offering to God, right. But so it has multiple, we'll call it, it could have at least two or three meanings or two or three interpretations.

So the bread being pieced, as I said, if we call Christ, as He referred to Himself as “the bread from heaven,” or “the bread of life”" that Bread of life also had to be pierced so it could rise. I love these little━they're very simple, but they're very clear. It's almost like God's saying, “Can you hear Me now?” right. All right, the measurements of the table, as I've already said, the height is one-and-a-half cubits tall, the same as the ark of the covenant. And this is important because the table being the same height as the ark, where the bread would be placed, puts it on the same level, if you will, as the mercy seat.

So the redemptive act where the blood would be sprinkled and applied would carry the same value in height as the bread placed upon the table. And this kind of is important to understand, because the bread may also be considered representing communion or fellowship with God. So if you think about it, the redemptive work of Christ and communion with Christ kind of go on the same level as the measurements depict. It's one of those things that if you're moving around you see that every detail here points to something. God didn't waste a crumb; pardon the pun. All right, there is I said, I mentioned a crown around the table; two crowns, in fact. And I love this, but be very careful about how you interpret what I'm about to say, because I know a lot of people will go far with this one. The crown around the table may have had a practical purpose, and that practical purpose may have been from keeping the bread from slipping off the table. Now if you go back to what I said about our two crowns and the full fulfillment of high priest and king being fulfilled in Christ, then Christ does help us, but unlike the bread that doesn't have free will, we do.

So we can slip and fall, if you will, off of God's table. All right, don't make the mistake. This is, again, one of those things denominationally speaking that some believe “once saved, always saved.” I do not preach that and do not believe that. I have seen more people in my lifetime, some very impressive, brilliant minds for the Lord, they were incredible, they made incredible contributions in ministry that fell away.

And then the people that believe in the doctrine of eternal salvation, “once saved, always saved” will say, “Well, they were never saved in the first place.” That's pretty hard to actually remedy when you look at some of the writings of some of these people who spent thirty and forty years of their life studying the book, preaching the word, and for whatever the events that happened fell away. So I, I don't think that this crown around the table, we can't go too far, as I said, because I don't believe in “once saved, always saved,” but it did have a purpose. And I'd say if you want to take this and make it something that could be applied, looking to the crowns, the high priest and king, can help you.

It doesn't mean it's going to stop you from slipping, but it can help you, and I, I'm just going to leave that there. The bread, sometimes called “the bread of faces,” the bread that would be placed before God, bread, lechem, and pânîym, so it's interesting. The bread of faces, if you translate the word “showbread,” just the word “show” from our English going back into the Hebrew is “to say,” or “to declare.” So it's, it's kind of a strange thing.

I'm not even sure why or how that came to be, but that's what it is. Sometimes also, as I said, referred to as “the continual bread,” and I like that. Remember that each one of these in proper context, the continual bread, which would mean the bread never ceases, even though the manna stopped the bread never ceased. If the bread for us is Christ, He is everlasting and ever liveth, so you can take that how you want. If you remember, there is a passage where David is fleeing for his live and runs in. He finds the priest and he's asking for two things: food and weapons.

Do you remember that? Okay, when he asks the priest, the priest says, “I only have hallowed bread here; not common bread.” And I like the fact that just in that one distinction it lets us know this is no ordinary bread. The priest did not see it as ordinary. Even though it was bread, it was not considered common or ordinary. And again, if you're going to keep going back to these references of Christ, who is the bread of life, no ordinary situation here in Christ either. So all of these, as I said, have great meaning if you're going to comb through the furniture here. The bread, as I said, represents both an offering; and this is where it get complicated and I'm going to try and do this as clearly as I can, but it's difficult, because the bread is, yes, an offering from the people to God, but let me take a little pause right here.

There are too many places specifically in the first five books of the Bible that talk about offerings and giving that explain something that if we all just kind of took a minute to process this, there would be no confusion here. Even that offering from the people to God came out of God's provision to the people, and if you think about it, every single offering that God along the way asked, whether; it didn't matter, it all came out of the provisions that God provided. This is what is frustrating to me as, as a preacher, but also as a person of God. I don't understand this.

And maybe someday, someone will come and argue and enlighten me on this, but I don't understand. If it's as clear as day here that God multiple times over gave to the people, in order that they could give back and participate in worship. What does that tell you about our response? I don't care what you've been taught; what does that tell you about our responsibility, first in recognizing who the Provider is, where the provisions come from, and why we need to be givers? It really kind of; you know, think about this. Have you ever given something to somebody, and we're just human flesh pots, but have you ever given something to somebody and they don't even say, “Thank you.” They don't even━it's like someone who's entitled.

They don't even recognize the gift that was just given to them. And you don't do it because you're expecting “Thank you” or recognition. Now put that on steroids. God, who has given us our faculties, our abilities, the breath in our lung, and yet; lungs, and yet people will still make this an argument. And I think probably this year for me has been the most crystal clear on this subject. It's not discussable. It never was discussable. For all the people out there, for all of you out there who still play this game of “Well, I don't think it's necessary,” or whatever it is, you're just deceiving yourself, because if I'm showing you the patterns that God put down here, not just the patterns of Christ and everything that points to Christ, but also how we are to relate to God. And even, remember I told you a couple of weeks ago, the approach to the tabernacle, those white curtains, right; think about this. Before you came into the church you might have been thinking, you might have been, you know, wondering about God, but then if you're like me, I stayed away from the church.

And I stayed away from the church, A) because I left the church long ago and out of, from a myriad number of reasons. But I also in my mind thought I couldn't possibly be accepted into the mix. So those white curtains still exist today. They're for any person who hasn't come to know the door that you must go through or the sacrifice that was made or the laver of cleansing; all of these things help us, including the structure in which God organized it. See, too many people focus on this idea of the tithe, and not enough focus is given here on who gave to be able to make you a giver. Think about that. Cain and Abel; who, who provided the offering for them? Who? And you keep going and you recognize all the way through it, every juncture it's the same thing. So what happens when we come before God? And I'm just going to say it like this, because the Bible talks about coming before God empty-handed.

What does it say? It says, “I completely deny that You ever provided for me in the first place.” Sorry, but if you can't see that you may not have the Spirit of God in you, because that's exactly, without telling somebody how much you need to give, but rather what's underneath it all. What is in the person's heart? Failure to recognize that, you can't━it doesn't matter what you take out of your pockets afterwards, it's all going to be works of the flesh, an endeavor to check a box and not see how God has laid this out crystal clear. So just put a little period right there, because that tells you my take.

Again, every week I'm going to maybe hammer on this. My take on giving is not some optional ideology or let's describe a percentage. Let's start with the right first place here. Every place here we're looking at, so the, the bread placed on the table, as I said, the oil in the lamps. And yes, there are two distinct types of oil; it doesn't matter. Again, the people had to gather it and bring it and produce it. So you've got enough there, all of the material that was required to build the tabernacle: all the threads, all the gold, all the silver; all of it, where did it come from? You could say, “Well, they came out of Egypt and they basically looted the Egyptians as God told them to do.” That's a good obedience right there. I mean, you know, we, we got people thinking they're coming out of Egypt in San Francisco and Sacramento all day long. That might; you'll get that one later.

No. All right, I was meaning in the looting part there, okay. So don't say, “Oh, well, it's biblical! I just went into whatever place to rip it off because it's biblical.” No, this is━but I'm, what I'm trying to show you is even there God made a provision and said, “Go get it from these people,” and there was a reason for them. Obviously, God didn't━think about this. God said, “Go get it from these people and take it from them as you go.” Why? If God wasn't planning to have this, all of what they took be a part of a pattern to build, then they'd just be a bunch of rich, heavy laden wanderers in the desert and with no point.

So again, this kind━I, I hope I've killed that one and it's clear. So I said the bread is complicated, because the bread, as I said, as an offering the bread can also be a representation, as I said, of Christ as I described that the bread being pierced in order for it to rise. So there, there could be multiple ways to interpret this, and I'm not going to get dogmatic over which one to go with.

They both embody the concept that I'm trying to convey. Twelve: the number of loaves that would be placed there every week, and replaced weekly; this number, as I've pointed out reoccurs over and over again. You've got the twelve tribes, you've got the, the twelve disciples. So twelve in this case, the number of divine government, which kind of is the pattern we're going to see spread throughout. Some people have labeled twelve as apostolic fulfill-ness or fullness, if you will. I, I'm just going to say I prefer to say divine government. It, it takes care of everything here. The number twelve also is carried into the heavenly city with its gates, if you think about it, twelve is everywhere in the Bible; twelve foundations, twelve precious stones, so not an accident in terms of the number.

I love the fact, by the way, that if you look at some of the references of twelve, like the twelve stones that Joshua took where the waters were basically arrested so that they could cross over, or the twelve stones of Elijah. Again, probably more of a mystery to me, the twelve stones of Elijah, because we're dealing with 1 Kings 17 or 18, where we're just starting to see the fracture that is beginning to occur within the kingdoms, and yet God didn't say, “Pick up two and ten.” He said, “Twelve”" there were twelve stones.

So again, with all of the separation we know that will occur, God's language is always going to be united; multiple parts, but united within. And I like that too. There's a mention in the table that might not make sense, and it says that there was a “border of a handbreadth between.” So I want you to think about this. Think about the table itself, and then almost a table within a table, so that you can understand what the border might be. And that border of a handbreadth, this is a tricky one, because no one is quite sure. And trust me; I went to some of my Hebrew sources. No one is quite sure what to make of the proper interpretation of this word, because it's so ambiguous. But I'm going to go for how I understand it, almost as the word connotes “fortress, safe place, enclosure,” a “handbreadth.” So I'm going to say that that concept basically separates. In other words, there is a ledge that is probably designed for the placing of utensils.

The table came with spoons and bowls and other things, so probably that area might have been to put some of those items on. That would have been enough space for it. But I'd like to say that the interior, what we'd call the interior border or that interior walled-off section was a way of separating. And I like this because it, it reminds me of a very strange, it's a very strange analogy I'm going to tell you right away. But if you remember, in the book of Ezekiel, God's describing the city, and He's taking Ezekiel through every part, and He says once He's finished in one area He takes him outside, and He mentions, in the Hebrew━you won't see it in English, but it's the same concept of a hand, hand's breadth to denote separation from other things coming in contact with other things.

So I think that's interesting that God put that there on the table. And whether that is to suggest the bread, if that is possible, being separated out, which it was, it wasn't common bread, or whether that is to represent those people who could approach the table, who were separated out, the high priests. But in any case, it denotes a form of separation, which I think it's like saying this bread is specific and not everyone is invited to partake and to touch, okay. And you might say, “Well, that's kind of unfair.” Well, whoever said it was fair? All right, I think I've probably covered enough on that to talk about, so why I say the separation of the bread is because within all of these pieces of furniture you're also going to find different concepts theologically that we talk about in the New Testament.

So I believe that part of the design of the table, you know, I just used the word “separation” or to keep out would represent what we would call in the New Testament “sanctification,” a separating apart. So kind of just put that as an important thing. And then I love this. In the realm of the tabernacle God basically says, I read it to you that Aaron and his sons, they shall eat it in the holy place. So God made a provision for the people who would be serving and doing the work of basically everything that was contained within that holy place.

Now we don't have a designated place anymore, but I love the fact that right there it basically says God provided. You know, bread is always interpreted as “the staff of life.” God provided for those serving Him the ability to partake. Now take yourselves right into the New Testament. We are a royal priesthood. There is no priests; Jesus is our high priest. But again, this comes back to provision.

And I believe this wholeheartedly. Someone who serves the Lord; and don't just say, “Oh, are you talking about being a pastor?” No, I'm talking about anyone who serves the Lord; you are a servant in your own home. You are a servant unto the Lord when you come here and you do whatever you do, if you do it in the name of the Lord that the Lord provides. And this is another one of these built-in messages that says to me when it says, “And Aaron and his sons, they shall eat it in the holy place,” as if to explain to us that anyone who's going to be committed. You know, there's another Scripture that says, “I have never seen his righteous ones begging bread.” Well, I've seen people begging for bread, hungry, okay. And that doesn't mean, no, they didn't serve. But I'm talking about I have yet to see God abandon the hand or the mouth of someone who is committed to serving, why, because God knows what's in your heart.

That's not to say that God's going to put out fillet mignon for you every night, but it's simply along the same lines of the Lord knows exactly what we need. And if bread is the staff of life, I'm going to go beyond the provisions of food to talk about the provisions of the total person, which come to us in the form of Christ. Again, everywhere you turn it's like mirrors that keep reflecting Christ throughout this whole tabernacle.

It's inescapable. And that's what I love about these studies. You cannot, if you're reading the same Bible I'm reading you cannot escape these types. And they tell me something. They over and over and even deeply or deeper every single week tell me God did not make━there were no accidents here like, “Oops, you know, I just, I decided I wanted this.” No, they're very deliberate. When I talk about these things, and I just mentioned the vessels that would be used in accompaniment with the table, the vessels were set apart for a specific purpose. You'd never see the flagons or the covers or the spoons being used for something else. They were specifically used for service at that table and nowhere else. And that tells me just like each and every one of us as vessels, we have a unique purpose.

That doesn't mean that we can't do multiple things or multitask, but we have a unique purpose in God's plan. And again, I, I think the concept, the question that's asked, you know, “Could God set a table in the wilderness?” Well, of course He did. And this paints the picture rather clearly, not only was this a table of fellowship and communion, but if you think about it, from the very beginning where they would have to go and gather the manna, I want you to imagine what that must have been like, all right, because God gives a specific command for how much they can gather and when they can gather and how they can gather it. So from start to finish God provided opportunities for the people of God to participate. Now I'm going to stop right there and ask you a question. Why is it that, fast forward into the New Testament church world and people think, “There's nothing for me to do”? I'm not talking about works.

I'm just saying that if you look even at the pattern of how everybody participated, each had their own. I said this last week. Some people were responsible for gathering the olives to make the oil, some people were charged with gathering the manna, some people were charged with the craftsmanship, but everybody did something that brought the whole camp to be involved. So think about these things, because I think it's pretty important. Now, when it came time to move the table, like other pieces of furniture, God provided the covering. And it's the same covering that I described, more or less. You've got the table that would be covered with a blue cloth that would be underneath it all. And of course, I've already blue, the color of eternity. The dishes, spoons, and bowls had a scarlet covering on them or red covering on them.

And the final covering would be badger skin. And I always like this because even the last time I mentioned this, people were like, “What the hell is that?” But think of it as the ugliest nondescript covering that you could have; nothing to look at. And this is what I love. To the natural eye, to the person in the flesh, if they saw the badger skin it, it would almost probably be repulsive. They would say, “What? What? How could that be holy?” because, you think about it, look at the complete opposite here. The complete opposite when people think of “holy” they think of opulence and they think of grandiose.

They think of the Catholic Church with its pomp and splendor and all the ornate-ness, right? You don't think badger skin. Badger skin is like, “Yuck, that's repulsive” to the natural man, to the natural eye. But someone who can look at this and really understand the meanings of these coverings, you're seeing what we'd call the, the, what the Bible refers to in Isaiah, speaking of Christ: there was no beauty in Him. So one has to look at the covering, and if it is with the eyes of the Spirit, you can see beyond the badger skin down to the blue and see the eternal purpose. But someone who doesn't have the Spirit is going to look at this and say, “What is this? This is like a junkyard with all kinds of stuff being transported, covered up with all kinds of”━it's like going to Grandma's house with all these different coverings on everything, right? What the heck? All right, so I think I've, I've given you enough of the picture of this table and its, its purpose.

I'm going to move on to the golden altar of incense, which was also in the holy place, as I realize if I keep going at this speed we will never get out of the tabernacle. So this piece once more, acacia wood overlaid with pure gold, sometimes called “the altar of gold before the throne.” There is that reference, by the way, in Revelation 8:3. I want you to ask yourself the question, why are there references to articles of furniture or concepts that were in the Pentateuch that appear in the book of Revelation if it's not because God is saying, “That was a shadow; I'm showing you what the actual substance, the tangible substance is now”? That's what will be revealed, the real thing.

So as I said, the altar before the Lord, also called “the altar of sweet incense,” it's dimensions, one cubit square and two cubits high. And I think this is pretty interesting myself, because that right there, one cubit square, means it was a square. It was square square. And I don't, again, I don't think this is an accident. If this golden altar, being probably the tallest or greatest in height of the table, of the ark of the covenant, or whatnot, the interesting thing here is that you have the shape. The shape brings me back to something pretty important, the, the city that is described as foursquare, the city that's yet to be, the heavenly city of Jerusalem described as foursquare. And again, the interesting relationship to the other pieces of furniture, what this particular altar, we call it the altar of incense; incense would be burned upon it, if you will. That altar represents for us what we would call another form of communion, prayers ascending to God, in the New Testament form if you will.

This golden altar had horns on each corner, a crown molding of sorts, gold around the edges with two rings of gold underneath what I'm calling the “crown molding,” which would kind of be a decorative something that goes around the exterior square. This altar would be found just before the veil. And I want to make sure that I make this really, really clear, because I know there'll be people that will be confused about this. So the difference between the brasen altar, which is further back, go back towards the entrance, all right. And sometimes I think people confuse the brasen altar with the golden altar. So the brasen altar is where the sacrifice for the sinner was offered. We call that judgment, we'd call that everything that you want to look at in terms of the act required to redeem or to forgive the sins of the sinner.

And you cannot, you would not be able to approach the altar of incense without having made or seen the sacrifice. So in translation for us, you come through the door to see the sacrificial and finished work of Christ, and when you are able to see, understand, recognize, no, and it doesn't have to be perfectly, but with that focus, then you approach and the incense of prayers can ascend. You know, people say, “Well, can I just pray?” Well, who are you praying to? So there, there is a pattern with purpose here. It's not just simply, “Okay, I'm going to go through the motions and check the box.” There was actually a method to this. Also, once a year on the great Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, they'd also apply blood onto this altar as well. In fact, I think everything got blood-covered. The blood obviously being a picture of this sacrifice accomplished, and so the foundation of worship therefore and praise was going back behind what was already done, the shed blood that was already shed.

So again, none of this would have━do you realize if I wasn't giving you the other side, which is showing you Christ, it just kind of sounds like, “Well, what's the purpose?” because you'd have to repeat this every year, and some of this you'd have to repeat every day or every week. What's the point? So again, that's why I said to you, you cannot read this without seeing that God actually had a vision to carry out the fullness of His Son, but these all point in that direction. The incense, this is another interesting one, made of four sweet spices in equal amounts would be blended and burned, produced fragrant odors or perfume.

One of these spices, the Hebrew word nâtâph, “to drop,” or “to distill,” a balm, which suggests fragrant outpouring of a life yielded. It's kind of interesting if you look up that word. The second one is a little bit more strange, because the second ingredient would be, would come from a shell or a scale that would be ground down into a fine powder. They'd find this shell around the Red Sea. It sounds a little bit weird to grind down a shell, but when finely ground it would produce a very fragrant perfume. Some scholars have equated the, this kind of incense, the full compound of the incense with a complete dedication or devotion. I'm not sure that I want to go that far, but it all has meaning. The next ingredient was a sap-like substance called, “galbanum,” which is purported to have medicinal properties. And finally frankincense, which you can see frankincense would have a place almost, almost throughout the whole tabernacle.

Our English word refers to its fast and free-burning qualities. Frankincense as a medicine or antidote to poison in some cases, equally like that, it's kind of interesting, but it could also be used if you remember I talked about it being put on the bread as preservative. It could also be used in the context of purity. So remember that this consecration would also be like the memorial of the meat offering. So all of these ingredients, they are, it's not just one time that they appear. They appear in different places and I believe they all have a part, an important in; we'll call it the recipe and the formulation that God put together. So you put all these ingredients together; they're blended for one singular purpose to be put on the altar of incense, and then obviously it is something that ascends.

Now we are not burning incense, but that altar does represent our place of prayer, the prayers going up. And Christ, who is our high priest, would pass into the holiest place of all to obtain that eternal redemption for us. So it's, again, nothing can be done, it's weird, like everything is connected. You can't even start understanding all of the furniture, unless you come through the door; sorry, okay. And once you come through the door, that one singular door that brings you in from, from being outside of those white curtains, once you come through the door and you begin to see this furniture there must be an understanding of the purpose of the why.

And for example, if one was just going to stand at the laver of cleansing, we'd say, “Well,” as I pointed this out, we're washed and cleansed by the word of God. Each one of these has a connection. And the more you look at this━I'm just giving you a very generic picture. You want to knock yourself out, if you can read Hebrew or you have access to a Hebrew Old Testament, look up some of these that words I've talked about just in reference and you see, wow, there, there are deeper meanings to these words.

I'm trying to keep this generic, because I realize that I'm describing furniture, which you might say, “Well, a message on furniture; okay, interesting.” As I mentioned earlier, I believe the coals that came off of the altar of burnt offering were used on the golden altar as well. And God was very particular about this. If you remember the episode that happened with Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu, remember where they took false fire, right. God basically warned them, by the way, it wasn't like they just stumbled upon and said, “Oh, let's try this.” God said, “Do not use strange fire,” meaning if there was a fire that was perpetually burning, that is from where you get the coals or whatever for whatever you need; you don't go and get it elsewhere. So I like the fact that God's very specific, even right done to the fire, when He says, “This is what I want you to do and this is how I want you to do it.” Of course, their disobedience and their blatant disregard for God's instructions and God's ways obviously cost them their life.

You have a similar scenario that plays out with Korah and the rebellion of Korah; not so much over fire, but the idea is still there, direct denial of God's chosen way, direct denial of God's way of approach. And of course, the same thing with Korah and Korah's band, it cost them their life. And my only lament is why God is not opening the earth up nowadays and swallowing people up, I don't know, but 250 men that followed Korah were consumed, completely consumed. So I think it's safe to say with God obedience is better than sacrifice. Let's leave that one alone. But what's unmistakable here about this altar is if, as I said, if the brasen altar was where satisfaction was made to the holiness of God for the sake of the sinner, then the prayers being offered by the saint are what are seen essentially in the golden altar of incense, accepted, by the way, because of the sacrifice that was already done. So I like to put it this way. If the first altar, the brasen altar flesh is sacrificed, here at the golden altar of incense you have basically the soul; if the flesh has been sacrificed the soul is communing with God.

So those are the two pictures that I like to use as a New Testament appropriation. I have one final thought here on, on the altar, on the golden altar, which is Aaron was instructed to offer a perpetual incense upon it. In the New Testament we are told by Paul to “pray without ceasing.” And this becomes a stumbling block for a lot of people, because the idea I think a lot of people think is, “What does that mean? Should I lock myself in a room and I, I pray and I pray and I pray and I pray and I pray, and I keep praying? Or I pray redundantly? Or I pray from a card? Or”━no, it doesn't mean that. The picture that has been depicted here, and I want you to think about this, if the offeror, in this case Aaron, was told to offer perpetual incense, then think about this.

What he brought, whatever those four ingredients were, had to be basically consumed before he would bring and replenish more. So I think it's safe to say when we talk about prayer and pray without ceasing in the context of the altar, the same concepts, I don't think it necessarily means that you are to pray in the sense of, you know, I'm going to lock myself in a room and for, for ten hours I'm just going to not stop praying. If you want to do that that's your business, but the idea is that is perpetual, it's continual. That means whatever I might have prayed for yesterday, I may come back again tomorrow and do the same thing and likewise and so on. And I think that's where people get a little bit nutty.

They think taking it literally, which is I will, I will pray without ceasing, I will pray at all times. No one can pray at all times, okay. Just get, get that idea out of your head. Not even the people who profess to pray all the time pray all the time. At some point you've got stop for some bodily functions here, okay, and I don't think that while you stop for that you're equally praying at the same time. Just save it for somebody who might believe you. All right, so I just want to say this about everything, because I've kind of done a very more generic approach here.

But these concepts, the table of showbread and the golden altar of incense, they do represent something to me that I think is desperately needed in this particular time, and that's called communion with God. And this got me to thinking a little bit, especially with Easter coming up, and I'll just tell you straightway in advance, because I was having a conversation with somebody last week, and I said, “You know, we have enough Resurrection, proofs of the Resurrection, different approaches to the Resurrection, many, many years of, of these messages.” But the application, it dawned on me; I think a lot of people don't actually know how to apply the resurrected life into their lives.

And that actually requires communion and fellowship with God to understand that. So when we look at these items you don't look at the table of showbread and the altar of incense without, as I just finished mentioning without all that came before. And recognizing just even how you came into the tabernacle, how the way of approach explains that without recognizing and understanding; you don't have to be a mathematician and understand formulas, but you do have to look at the big picture to recognize your standing of who you are before God, which as a sinner. We're all sinners, there's not one person in the sound of my voice who isn't.

We are sinners being basically washed and cleansed by the final and finished sacrifice of Christ, washed and cleansed by the word as He described in John 15. But all of this kind of comes down to a bigger picture, which is how do we understand this in fellowship and communion? Because it is in the fellowship and communion that the relationship is developed or built, it is a relationship. And you can't have the relationship just simply built on what I just described, the table and the altar of incense without recognizing the sacrifice, the way of approach, the way in, what walled you out, what kept you away.

And that that wall of partition has been broken down. But all of that is to say that when I do get around to, I believe next week is Easter, it may not be a traditional proofs of the Resurrection, because it dawned on me in all the years, my 18 going on 19 and probably 30 years of Dr. Scott's ministry here, I don't think I've heard a message on why it matters to understand about that resurrected life and how to apply it, because there begins the concept. See, I think a lot of people come in and it becomes it's an obligation for one day, “Okay, I've got to go because I know this is kind of a commemorative thing.

I go because, and here's all the reasons.” But there all the wrong reasons, because if you come to understand the proofs, and the proofs properly applied to your life bring something incredible to the believer that without that you may just say, “Well, it's enough for me to know, because Christ resurrected sits at the center.” But the lack of understanding, in my opinion, brings about a lack of communion, a lack of fellowship, and a lack of worship. And those things that are lacking keep the distance, in my opinion, between the believer and God. So hopefully we will, I'll get to that next week and I'll talk to you about that next week, but what I want to say in wrapping up; I'm not done in the tabernacle by any means. But I wanted to keep this simple because, as I said, showing each measurement or each color or each dimension is it, it's there, so you can go back and read the descriptions of the table and read it for yourself or the descriptions of the altar of incense and read it for yourself.

And understand now with the understanding of what is, what is a cubit and what the numbers mean or that the materials mean. But go back and read it, as I've said for many weeks now, looking at through the eyes of God in Christ, looking at how amazing God is to paint this picture. And the picture as I said, wasn't painted for a few people. That's why, again the numbers matter.

This four corners of the earth, to all ends of the earth; it wasn't designed for a singular people. This is the mistake that people get into when they say, “Well, this was given,” and I've heard people say this, “This, this was given to the Jewish people.” No, the Jewish people didn't exist at this time. I've already gone through that, and please, if you haven't listened to my message do not argue with me, do not post on my social media page. If you have not listened that means you are still ignorant as to what this book; not me, not my opinions; what this book says about what I just said. This was given as a pattern of what God would do for the whole earth. And when you come to see that it just makes God and His plan of salvation all the more amazing, because He said, “I don't need for people to keep coming to the door perpetually and slaughtering an animal anymore. I chose My only begotten Son,” and He gave His life that you and I may have life eternal.

And that life eternal is something so powerful in, especially in this day and age where people are vacillating in fear and confusion and everything else. This resurrected life says, “No matter what's going on, God has a plan.” He had it here, He had it here, He had it here, He has it here at the end of the book, and He's got it here and He's got it there. And if you just look it will bring something else to your life: peace. And without that I don't know how you're going to get along in this world, in this crazy lunatic world right now. So with all that being said, I hope that you can take what I've said today and without it being too detailed, very generic, to say there is definitely reason to go back, reread and study, and see the beauty of Christ in the Old Testament. That's my message. You have been watching me, Pastor Melissa Scott, live from Glendale, California at Faith Center. If you would like to attend the service with us, Sunday morning at 11am, simply call 1-800-338-3030 to receive your pass.

If you'd like more teaching and you would like to go straight to our website, the address is www.PastorMelissaScott.com.

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