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CEUs comm slash counselor toolbox I’d like to welcome everybody to today’s
presentation on common co-occurring issues exploring the interaction between mental health
physical health and addiction so we’re kind of putting together the stuff that we’ve been
talking about for a couple of sessions now we’re going to start by talking about some
questions and then reviewing what a healthy person needs and then going through and talking
about how different addictions may cause or be caused by mood disorders and physical health
issues and we’re going to talk about things that you may see in private practice or the
a facility that you’re working in just real quickly for those of you who are here how many people if
you would just type in the chat window if you’re a mental health counselor type mhm if you are a
addictions counselor type SI or whatever so just kind of so and know who I’m talking to you okay
so mostly mental health ok cool so what we’re going to look at is what you may
see in private practice or a mental health setting because these clients a lot of clients
that have substance abuse or addiction issues and I use the term addiction because we’re
talking about behavioral addictions too many times they don’t meet the criteria for admission
for substance abuse because they don’t meet that threshold of a substance use disorder tolerance
withdrawal yay yay so substance abuse agencies can’t get funding to provide the treatment so
they end up in a mental health facility or a mental health counselor’s office and they may
be dealing with some of these addiction issues and wanting to address them or they may not be
but those issues are out there and exist so we want to know how they interact so told you
we’re gonna have a couple of questions to think about and I’m just asking you to ponder these for
right now and you can add throughout the class if you want but we’re gonna talk about it more at
the end how can we and why is it important to address chronic illness and disabilities
that result from or that cause mood disorders or addictions so thinking about you know like
HIV or hepatitis are two of the big one’s cirrhosis of the liver chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease from smoking so these are things that can result from addiction why or how
is it important for us as clinicians mental health clinicians mainly to think about addressing these
how can we address depression and/or anxiety kind of our mood disorder genre and hopelessness that
results from or causes depression and anxiety so we know that thinking back affects acceptance
and commitment therapy there’s clean discomfort which is what he calls your initial emotion
when you feel something if you feel depressed if you feel anxious that’s how you feel and
it’s uncomfortable but it’s clean it is it is what it is and then he calls dirty discomfort
the feelings that we have about those feelings so we can get angry that we are depressed we can
get depressed that we’re still depressed and he calls that dirty discomfort because we’re kind of
layering on and piling in think about just kind of throwing somebody into a hole and piling more
dirt on top of them so we want to think about how can we address these issues that result from
depression or anxiety or sleeping eating or energy changes so if you’ve got somebody who is dealing
with a chronic illness or something else has happened or they’re they’ve got some sort of
an addiction and they are not eating well not sleeping well it could trigger depression or
anxiety so we’re going to talk about that how can we address sleeping eating and energy changes
seems like we’re getting repetitive we’re looking at how each one interface and how can we address
these things that are caused by or cause mood disorders or addictions because we know when we
look at the diagnostic criteria for depression for example sleeping eating and energy changes
primary in there and how can we address guilt and regret which may accompany addiction recovery
or the diagnosis of the disease as the result of addiction such as lung cancer or HIV or cirrhosis
of the liver and people who have liver disorders cirrhosis of the liver and hepatitis are at a
greater risk of liver cancer so that can they can have some additional anxiety that is related
to that so they may look back and go I wish I hadn’t well you have so how can we help you deal
with that and come to some level of acceptance so my little editorialized soapbox when we’re talking
about addictions I mean sometimes we don’t want to think that they exist we want to pretend that our
clients are coming in their mental health clients otherwise their perfectly healthy things are
going great well that may not be the trick the case a lot of people begin to use and I mean
think about ourselves when we’re when we were in high school and college or you know even later
some people use it for recreation you know they want to go out have a few beers do whatever cool you
know that’s fine some people drink or use it for relaxation my son has a love of we will use that
word videogames and he will get on his videogames and we’ll kind of get lost in it it helps him
escape from you know life as we know it for a little bit of time some people use
because of peer pressure you know it’s everybody’s doing it or you know you’re at a football party
or something and everybody’s having a beer and somebody offers you one and you don’t want to be
rude things like that can happen and some people begin to use straight up for self-medication
they’re like I feel crappy I need something to help me feel better or numb the pain so there’s
a lot of reasons people begin to use so then you might say well why don’t they just say no because
it’s easy to say no well it’s not some people start to use it because they’re bored and
they want something to bring some excitement some euphoria to their life and we’re talking about
everything from sex addiction to internet addiction to cocaine use I mean we’re running the gamut here
they may lack the awareness of the dangers or how quickly you can become addicted I know when I was
working in the facility in Florida there was the sort of knowledge if you will and knowledge is not
the right word rule I guess that with crack cocaine for some people, it was a one-hit wonder
you did it once and you were hooked and several drugs can be highly addicting
quickly especially if they’re taken either through injection or inhalation but we’ve talked
before about the fact that our bodies can start developing tolerance to opiates within 3 to 5
days so you know people may not a lot of people don’t realize when they go in and their doctor
writes him a script for two weeks of opiates and they take it as prescribed that they’re actually
becoming somewhat addicted to those opiates if they take the whole prescription so they may not
understand that some people don’t say no because they have low self-esteem so they’re looking for
comfort to help them relax to help them loosen up so they can be more fun at the party and or
to peer pressure somebody tells them why don’t use or why don’t come out and go drinking
with us or whatever the case may be so to fit in they may try to use it to fit in to feel
part of a crowd and part of it can also be you know with that peer pressure just generally the
culture promoting this kind of behavior going it’s ok I think I’ve shared with you before at
At the beginning of some of the original Beverly Hillbillies episodes they still advertised Winston
cigarettes, like they are the greatest thing and cool people, have them and that’s the thing to
do so if that message gets out people may start believing it and not do their research so to
speak on what the true problems or risks may be and then again self-medication some people may
be struggling just to get by from day to day and this helps them survive the best they can with the
tools they have until we give them some new tools so just saying you know I had I grown up
during the era of Nancy Reagan and you know God loves her she was trying to help and for a certain
small percentage she probably did but for a larger percentage just saying no is not that easy we need
to give people the tools so they can say no so they don’t so they aren’t relying on these drugs
for some reason because when people start using it for recreation and relaxation some people may not
have a big big issue with it other people may start throwing their neurotransmitters kind of out
of whack depending on how much how often they use what combinations if they’re on any medication so
people may inadvertently start messing with their neurotransmitters and creating and we’ll talk
about this creating depression or anxiety that they end up trying to self-medicate so that
that is my soapbox for it is not that easy to just say no we as a culture not just as clinicians
have some work to do so what do we need to do to help people be able to just say no
they need to have access to healthy nutrition and knowledge of what that means my son and it’s
still like drawing fingernails on a blackboard to me today this week, I told his sister that you
no, he didn’t understand why she was so concerned with the nutrition he’s a guy he doesn’t need to pay
attention to nutrition it’s just whatever and I was just like oh my gosh you know everything I’ve
said has fallen on deaf ears but okay we’ll back up and figure out a way they need access to
it and then they also need to eat it you know if we have healthy foods available but people are
still eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for every single meal it’s not going to help so we
need to make sure people understand what a healthy diet looks like and how to do it in a way that’s not
painful you know we’re not asking you to just eat rabbit food as my daddy used to say but so what
does it look like to eat a diet or nutrition that makes you feel good that’s happy that makes you
feel happily fulfilled you like it tastes good whatever you want to say but that’s also
healthy you know it’s not just pizza or just peanut butter we need to educate people and a
lot of adults that I work with have no clue about sleep hygiene you know they know they’re supposed
to try to go to sleep but they don’t know anything about turning off the blue turning on blue light
filters so the blue lights are not keeping them up so we need to do some education here ideally in
elementary schools but if we can get it out to the community so they can pass it on to their little
minions we’ll be on a good path to pain control we need people to start having pain control but
we need to also have them have alternatives to pain control besides opiates and there are a lot
of them out there again people don’t know about so we must educate and we’re not
prescribing pain control that’s not our job but if we have a client who’s in chronic pain we can
suggest that they work with their doctor that they look into options for pain control you can google
it and find a lot of different alternatives now if they don’t want to go to the doctor but you
know there are a lot of different things from acupressure it attends units to things that are
nonpharmacological that can help people manage their pain so they can sleep which will help
the rest and rebalance to deal with fatigue and be able to deal with life kind of on life’s terms
because they won’t be in this constant state of stress people need access to regular medical care
to prevent problems so you know we want to prevent this thing on your face from becoming skin cancer
we want to prevent anything else that that might trigger problems and early intervention so like
with Lyme disease, if people get early intervention mentioned they don’t end up with the chronic
problems with HIV the earlier the intervention the better same thing with hepatitis you know
the list goes on so we want to make sure that if people have some sort of issue that’s disrupting
their ability to get enough sleep process nutrition go to work do any of these things that
they have access to some method whatever method they need to address it so sometimes it’s medical
sometimes it’s mental health it’s social services they need safe housing so we’re on to
social services now and that includes a roof over their head that they’re not worried when
they go to sleep at night but also being safe from domestic violence and things like that safety
and this kind of goes with safe housing and I put internal and external because you know the first
part is external safety we want to be able to know that our patients can relax wherever they’re at
they have enough money to keep a roof over their head in a safe place and you know typically that’s
not something that we think about as mental health counselors we think about helping them deal with
their anxiety but if they can’t get enough sleep and they never feel safe when they’re at home
they’re not going to be able to rest and they’re at best their recovery is going to be impeded at
worst you know it’s going to contribute to the issue that they’re seeing us for so safe housing
is important we’re not going to get it for them but we can point them in the right direction your
local United Way which is 2-1-1 and most places generally has a listing of different resources
for accessing safe housing if you don’t work in a facility that’s used to dealing with that
and then internal safety that’s shutting up that internal critic that’s being able to go through
a day without being derogatory to yourself and that’s something that we definitely can
help with we can help people shut down that internal critic or that internal person that
is always calling gloom and doom and you know waiting for the other shoe to drop or whatever
the case maybe we can help clients change their cognitions so it’s safe inside their head
and then people need love and acceptance and this should sound pretty familiar are you
know Maslow’s hierarchy here kind of in Reverse but people need love and acceptance but in order
for love to have love and acceptance in many cases they also need to love and accept themselves so
we’re gonna work on self-esteem we’re gonna help people develop relationship skills hopefully there
are some people in their life that have provided some level of love and acceptance maybe not the
unconditional positive regard we’ve hoped for but they’re there so these are things that the healthy
happy person needs and these are things in large part we can do through education referral and direct
services help people get so why do we care about co-occurring issues as mental health counselors
well 35 percent of people with anxiety disorders have according to one of these studies abused
opiates so that’s a lot if you’ve got somebody with an anxiety disorder this isn’t just panic
this isn’t just something you know severe this is you know any of your anxiety disorders
one in three roughly have abused opiates they’ve used some sort of opiate drug to help them kind of
chill out of opiate or alcohol dependent patients 20% have major depressive disorder so of that
35% you know there’s going to be a percentage of them who may be opiate or alcohol dependent
and there are a lot of our clients that we see in mental health treatment who are not willing to be
truthful about how much they really drink or how often they drink because they might be
suspecting it’s a little bit of a problem but they’re not wanting to go there yet they’re in
what we call pre-contemplation okay so let’s just go with this in mind that there may be some
underlying other stuff that they haven’t told us about opiate or alcohol-dependent patients 20%
have major depressive disorder so you know we’re taking them and we may be seeing them in the clinic
for depression and we do want to be suspect of whether there’s either some opiate or alcohol
issues there depression and opioid-dependent patients including pain management patients so
those who are opiate-dependent by prescription have been associated with poorer physical health
decreased quality of life increased risk-taking behaviors and suicidality am I saying that pain
management clinics are bad no but what I’m saying is those who are in pain management clinics for a
variety of reasons are at a high in a higher risk category I mean think about it if your pain is
bad enough that you need to be going to a pain management clinic think about how much that must
hurt think about how much that must impair your daily life think about the impact of the drugs
that you’re taking on your mood your energy levels and the stigma in some cases associated with it
some people here suboxone and they’re like yeah whatever my neighbor takes that other person here
suboxone and they’re like ah you can’t be taking that so there is still a lot of social stigmas that
goes along with medication-assisted therapies so there are a lot of things that may contribute
to depression in opioid-dependent patients the prevalence and severity of depression tend to
decline within the first few weeks after treatment initiation so if they are trying to get off of
you know ideally their detox and they’re trying to you know remain sober the prevalence
and the severity of depression tends to decline so we need to get them off of it first and get them through
that acute withdrawal from a depressant including alcohol and I know this slide is boring
but we’re gonna be through in a second withdrawal from depressants including alcohol opioids and
even stimulants invariably include potent anxiety symptoms so it’s important to pay attention and
withdrawal from stimulants can also include potent depressive symptoms if they’ve been on a crack
binge for you know five days that won’t sleep for a while many people with substance use disorders
may exhibit symptoms of depression that fade over time and are related to acute with drawl well we
talk about acute withdrawal we’re talking about the first three months we’re not talking about
the detox period which is generally three days so encourage people who’ve gone through detox and
maybe they’re seeing you on an outpatient basis encourage people to you know be patient and work with
the treatment team if they need to but the first three months is always the hardest so chicken or
the egg you know did the person start using and become depressed or was the person depressed so they self
medicated does it matter depression and anxiety are associated with addiction because because
if you have stimulant withdrawal or recovery that period after you quit using that’s maybe
a week maybe two weeks where your body is going whew that was a run people may feel depressed
fatigued have difficulty concentrating which can impact how well they eat it’ll impact
their sleep they’re gonna sleep a lot more but the quality of sleep may be poor so they can mess
up their circadian rhythms and you know they may not have access to the social support that
they wanted they may but really with stimulant withdrawal we’re looking at nutrition
and sleep so we want to educate patients if they decide to stop taking stimulants what they need
to look at stimulant use can also be associated with depression and anxiety because many people
not you know the majority but a lot of people out there will self-medicate depression with
stimulants from anything from caffeine which you know maybe like mild dysthymia but if you
abuse enough caffeine you know it starts getting into your system you become dependent on it but if
you start combining caffeine and nicotine plus oh let’s add in some workout supplements or you know
the occasional Ritalin or something not suggesting it then it’s these things can wear the body down
which can lead to additional depression but people may use these things to try to feel better because
think depression is related for some people they may not feel like they can wake up they’re
fatigued they’re lethargic all the time and they’re feeling blue so if they take stimulants
they get that dopamine rush they’re starting to feel good and they’re awake stimulant
use can cause anxiety well the so if you’ve got somebody who already has maybe they are depressed
but they’ve also got some anxiety and they start using stimulants which may make the anxiety way worse
alcohol or opiate use some people use these things to numb or to forget and that’s just your
the standard used the depressant some people will use either one of these but especially opiates to
deal with physical pain to medicate depression or anxiety remember there are a lot of trials not
several trials right now that are looking at using opiates to treat intractable depression
but a lot of people also use opiates off-label illegally to address anxiety so if you’ve got a
client with depression or anxiety just kind of be alert for how they’re behaving if they’ve
got pinpoint pupils or if they’re itching and picking all the time I mean not the occasional
are winter and the heat just turned on I’ve got dry skin itch but constantly itching and picking
and you know where you’re like please just settle down detox from opiates can all often produce
depression produces a lot of flu-like symptoms which can make people feel crappy and the
flu-like symptoms I won’t get graphic impaired nutrient absorption impaired sleep you know
they’re sleeping a lot because they feel like crap but they’re also having to get up every
10 minutes to go to the bathroom sometimes so this first week or so during the initial if they
go cold turkey so to speak can be rough detox from alcohol as I’ve talked about before
can produce anxiety symptoms so understanding that when people are going through detox whether
they are alcohol dependent and have been drinking a whole lot which needs to be medically monitored
I can’t say this enough and I’ll say it a lot more tomorrow when we talk about where Nikki Korsakoff
syndrome but people who are detoxing from alcohol will have anxiety symptoms and a period of high
blood pressure and sometimes depression and anxiety are associated with addiction just because they
sober up one morning and they look at their life and they’re like what the hell have I done so
you know and you’re looking at them going yeah I don’t blame you for feeling that way now let’s
see what we can do to improve the next moment so make sure that we understand that these
things are going to go hand in hand and to be on the lookout because like I said a lot of people
aren’t forthcoming even about alcohol use which is legal but if they’re using something illegally
or using maybe their kid’s Ritalin or something they’re pretty much almost guaranteed not to tell
you so we want to be on the lookout for signs and symptoms bipolar disorder can be triggered by drug
use so we just know that we can the person could get worn down mess with the neurotransmitters
enough they’re not exactly sure how it happens but we have seen the initial acute episode of
bipolar disorder-triggered mania triggered by drug use it is more common for people with bipolar
to use stimulants when they’re depressed and just about anything when they’re manic now if you’re
working with somebody with bipolar you know you’re probably already having these discussions
about how you stay safe when you’re in a manic episode people with ADHD may use to self-medicate
and we’re talking cannabis is a big one for ADHD to help people feel like they’ve got more focus
and not feel like they’ve got so much coming in and so much stimulation all the time which can be
exhausting and after the use of any of the substances of abuse the disruption and neurotransmitters
can make people feel like they’ve got ADHD-type symptoms faculty concentrating difficulty
following through with things etc so understanding that even if things don’t meet the threshold for
DSM-5 diagnosis we want to look at what symptoms are there and how can we help people manage them
so they’re getting adequate sleep nutrition pain control social support and safety borderline and
antisocial personality just kind of threw those in there because we see those a lot when we’re
working in dual diagnosis facilities more people are more likely to use addictions to cope with a
lack of sense of self and their emotional lability if they’re borderline so I mean their world is so
chaotic many people with borderline personality disorder are likely to use to try to get some calm
in the storm now I will put out my other soapbox here with both of these personality disorders
when you see somebody in active addiction or early recovery they probably have symptoms that
would meet diagnosis you know their symptoms are pervasive in multiple areas of life their
symptoms would meet the diagnosis for one of these two personality disorders during this period
but it resolves as recovery becomes the norm as the neurotransmitter stabilizes they develop
interpersonal skills so you know giving people a little bit of time before we say it’s borderline
personality disorder versus borderline personality characteristics if you will be helpful because
both of these diagnoses can block people from getting into certain treatment centers and getting
some of the services they need okay so we’re going to move on to some of our more common addictions
alcoholism is associated with eating disorders there’s a really strong Association and it usually
flip-flops between bulimia and alcoholism so if somebody’s symptomatic for bulimia they may not
be drinking a lot of alcohol but they may during periods of remission from the bulimia drink a lot
more alcohol become alcohol dependent so there’s a lot of research out there that shows there’s
a strong correlation between these two things and it’s also associated with binge eating disorder
but especially bulimia nutritional deficiencies from alcoholism can cause mood disorders so
even if somebody is not and I use the term I should have put alcohol instead of alcoholism
because even the term heavy use without physical dependence can cause nutritional deficiencies that
can cause ulcers it can cause physical problems physical exhaustion which can disrupt sleep
alcohol impairs sleep quality alcohol makes apnea worse so if you’ve got a client who has
sleep apnea they’re drinking they’re probably gonna sleep even worse than they normally do
depression is the result of using well alcohol as a depressant so what do people expect well most
people expect to relax they don’t think about the rest of the stuff that’s going on in neurochemical
imbalances because the alcohol exits our system a lot faster than our brain can catch up and go okay
it’s not in there anymore so I need to adjust the temperature and in sleep disruption anxiety can
also, be triggered as a result of use I’ve said before say it again after that initial period
where people feel the depressant or relaxing effects of alcohol there is an upsurge in anxiety
so a lot of people have another drink to kind of quell that anxiety feeling but you know people
with anxiety disorders are gonna feel it more prominently and the neurochemical imbalances
that alcohol use causes can worsen pre-existing anxiety conditions or trigger anxiety conditions
nicotine is another one that we see a lot even in just straight-up mental health clinics not
co-occurring so what effect does nicotine have well anxiety and depression are 70% more likely in
smokers so that’s one of those statistics we want to look at nicotine triggers dopamine release okay
so nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs on the planet and you’re thinking I thought that was
opiates well opiates are in there but nicotine not only is nicotine legal but it’s also one of
the most addictive drugs on the planet so that’s another important point to think about people are
using their trigger and dopamine release their brain gets used to being flooded with dopamine so
their receptors on the other end start sensitizing so we’re creating an artificial environment
basically when people are smoking blood vessel changes when people smoke it causes blood vessel
changes that can cause high blood pressure as well as depression and fatigue and confusion in the blood
vessels narrow and get stiffer so the oxygenated blood has a harder time getting to where it needs
to be so people start feeling blah and that can cause them to think that they’re starting to feel
depressed can also cause those cause loss of energy people with severe and persistent mental
illnesses are two to three times more likely than the general population to use nicotine so that’s
just an interesting little fact to have out there if you work with people with SP MI and people
with ADHD may smoke because it increases their concentration and attention for about five minutes
literally, for about five minutes but during that five minutes they’re like oh my gosh it’s a relief
I can like focus for half a second so we want to look at what else is going on whether the
a person has adult ADHD for example physical health mental nicotine is linked with COPD and emphysema
and lung cancer so you know all kinds of lung and cardiopulmonary stuff well when that happens
you know we have less oxygenated blood efficient efficiently getting through the system we’re going
to have increased fatigue increased confusion some grief that may go along with that especially if
people are starting to have to carry an oxygen tank around with them or something you know we may
have to help them deal with disability acceptance and depression and stroke because smoking like
I said increases blood pressure and reduces circulation so cutting off or greatly reducing
circulation to the brain they have shown that people who smoke especially heavy smokers are at a
much greater risk of stroke and addiction nicotine is strongly correlated with other addictions a
a lot of people when they’re in the bar well not so much anymore since smoking is not allowed in
public places but used to be when they were in the bar they would also be smoking but a lot of
people associate alcohol and nicotine or nicotine and other drugs so if somebody is using other
drugs likely they’re smoking now it doesn’t work the other way around just because they’re smoking
doesn’t mean they’re likely using other drugs the reason this is more important is that people
who continue to smoke after they have gone into recovery for their drug of choice have a relapse
rates as high as 68 percent higher than for people who quit smoking so we start thinking about that
and we say well why is that well because nicotine is a mood-altering substance you know we don’t
think of it as such because it’s not a woohoo it’s Marva hey okay it’s not as prominent
of interaction as maybe cocaine or something but it does change the balance and people still
do use smoking to cope with life when things get stressful they smoke well if things get stressful
and you know they’re too stressed for smoking to handle then they may start going back to what
else can I take use or do that will make this feeling go away right now we know also that was
smoking and that repeated release of dopamine they’re messing with the neurochemical balances
in their brain, so it makes sense that eventually just like tolerance to other drugs happens it may
not be enough at a certain point and they may fall back into other habits nicotine has been known to
suppress appetite and but whether it keeps weight off or not they haven’t shown alcohol
and nicotine both are appetite suppressants which is another reason people with bulimia tend to
drink and one of the reasons why people quit smoking they tend to be hungrier so helping
them get through that period now whether it helps them keep weight off the party that deals with
the reason that they eat it’s not really that it’s suppressing their or increasing their metabolism
so much its nicotine suppresses the anxiety and sometimes the desire the hunger but if people
are still eating out of anxiety if they’re still eating under stress eating then you know when they stop
smoking and they don’t have a cigarette to put in their mouth when they’re stressed they tend to
go for other things and so we need to help people figure out when they stop smoking are you
eating because you’re hungry or are you eating because you’re stressed if they’re eating
because they’re hungry and they’re getting heavier than they want to be they need to talk with their
doctor about you know thyroid tests and also let their doctor educate them on biological setpoint
theory of you know not everybody’s going to be a zero so you know that may be something we can
help them deal with body acceptance issues if you know maybe they’re programmed genetically to
be you know a size X whatever that is and they’re not happy because they want to be a zero which our
culture does tell us to do as clinicians we can help them look at you know the costs and
benefits of continuing to smoke and what being you know a size zero means for them to opiate
abuse there’s a lot of physical stuff and we’re just gonna run through it real quick because
you’re not as concerned with it the physical stuff the doctors are gonna see but we need to be
aware of from a clinical point because it can keep people from getting their basic needs met blood
and injection site infections you know that’s probably going to lay them up for a while but if
they have repeated infections and are repeatedly out of work they can lose their job they can lose
their housing they can you know get some sort of MRSA or something else which can be really
expensive it can be life-threatening ya-ya collapsed veins and this is more common obviously
this is only for injection drug users but collapsed veins just as you would expect keep the
oxygenated blood from getting where it needs to be so people are more likely to experience strokes
and may have certain forms of vascular dementia because of the strokes dementia we’re familiar
with endocarditis is the inflammation around the heart so again this is only for needle
drug users but if you’ve got a client who is using needles to inject any kind of drug be aware
of that and what they get and what they inject is rarely pure so knowing what else they’re injecting
into their system if they’re you know crushing pills from the pharmacy you’re a little bit more
sure about what they’re getting as opposed to if it’s from the corner dealer and sometimes
they’re cut with really nasty things like you know comic bathroom cleaner and stuff HIV if
people get HIV from injection or some other risky behavior they’re probably going to experience
some depression and a lot of times HIV from opiate abuse they’re gonna experience depression
remorse regret all that kind of stuff anxiety about how long they’re going to live what’s
going to happen and oh those medication side effects those the antiretroviral medications that
they have to take are doozies I’ve seen people go through the induction weeks on their medications
and it is a rough time so helping people get through it so they are medication compliance
so they can continue to live we need to help them maintain hope and self-efficacy and all that kind
of stuff to maintain that forward movement to get through the induction period liver damage from
acetaminophen can set people up for you know physical pain among other things and it decreased
pain tolerance now this generally the decreased pain tolerance goes away after the
the body starts producing its endorphins and natural painkillers again but that initial period if somebody quits using and maybe you know you are seeing them as a mental health client and
they had an accident or had surgery or something they started using pills they got a couple of
refills then the doctor said no I’m cutting you off and now they’re going through a detox period
detox from opiates is unpleasant but it is rarely life-threatening unless somebody becomes their
electrolytes get imbalanced because of the flu symptoms but we still may see this in private
practice in mental health practice because of the scenario I just told you people can start
taking painkillers as prescribed for something they may get addicted you know take them for
a month or so then when they get off of them not only do they feel like you know really bad
but their pain is also back and it may be they had their wisdom teeth out that pain may be gone
but other aches and pains and everything you feel is probably going to be intensified until the
body kicks back in so educating clients about this is what happens you know it’s not uncommon
if you think it’s too bad go see your doctor helping them make sure they’re getting
good nutrition you know it’s hard if you’ve got flu symptoms to feel like you want to eat or
hold anything down so what can you do to make sure your body has the building blocks to make the
stuff that it needs to help you feel better what can you do to improve your sleep and a lot of our
clients and you know where I used to work we had a methadone clinic and we also had a mother
baby unit and as soon as the mothers would give birth then the doctor would start them on
their detox from methadone and he didn’t believe in the kinder gentler taper he was just like okay
baby’s gone threats gone because you can’t detox from somebody from opiates when they are pregnant
because it can cause the baby to die anyway so as soon as they would stop or as soon as
they weren’t pregnant anymore he would just D see them and they would feel really bad I mean
not only did they just push an 8-pound something out of their body but they also are experiencing
a decreased pain tolerance because they’re not on the opiates anymore and all they want to do is
sleep it’s just like please so understanding that is important in helping people get through
that period even though they may want to sleep all the time helping them understand that it’s
important to maintain their circadian rhythms if they have to take two or three ten-minute
power naps throughout the day to get through the day you know more power to them but if they
can practice good sleep hygiene they’re gonna be way better off in the long run OPD opiate
abuse is also or opiate use is also associated with the treatment of depression but it can cause
depressive symptoms due to its pharmacological properties I mean it slows everything down from
you’re gastrointestinal to your heart rate to your respiration you’re not breathing as much you’re
not getting as much oxygen in you’re gonna have more fatigue you’re gonna have more confusion
you’re going to have more of those symptoms of depression for some people they find it is and
certain opiates they find it is a powerful way to reduce anxiety it makes them feel like they’ve
got a ton of energy because they’re not stressed out anymore and this last one is one of the
The main reason that I find people don’t want to give up opiates is that they finally feel better when
they’re on the eating disorders commonly a coat co-occur with depression and anxiety which can
be caused by nutritional deficiencies you know you’re not giving your body the building blocks
so it can’t make the neurotransmitters it needs and it also probably disrupts your sleep some
and depression anxiety can cause or trigger or whatever you want to say eating disorders because
people with eating disorders may fear becoming fat have low self-esteem have a sense of lack of
self-control or have body dysmorphic disorder so we also want to be aware that there are mental
health stuff that can trigger dysfunctional eating patterns there’s about a 24% prevalence of PTSD
among people with eating disorders so if you’ve got a client with eating disorders especially
bulimia be on the lookout for depression anxiety body dysmorphic disorder alcoholism and PTSD they
maybe smoking too but of the things, I just listed that’s probably the least of their worries it’s
all eating disorders are also associated with alcoholism and smoking I said physical health
issues now you’re seeing somebody with an eating disorder it’s a mild eating disorder you’re seeing
them once a week outpatient so you’re not and you have you know you have training and
working with eating disorders or maybe it’s mild enough that you’re just getting supervision
on treating this issue whatever being aware that people with eating disorders anorexia or bulimia
can have irregular heartbeats and cardiac arrest due to potassium imbalances and electrolyte
imbalances so if they’re not eating or if they are binging and purging in some way shape or
form and that includes excessive exercise which can trigger a lot of heart problems they may have
loss of bone mass and osteoporosis so they may break bones a little bit easier going back up to
the heartbeat not to belabor the point but again heart problems mean a lack of available oxygen
mean confusion fatigue potential difficulty sleeping depressive symptoms and you know cardiac
arrest in and of itself is bad kidney damage from Doretta caboose and low potassium can also
potentially drain damaged the adrenals which are on the kidneys and so it’s important to be
aware of what people are using a lot of people with eating disorders are going to creatively
use stimulants to suppress their appetite think about any of your diet drugs your enter mean I
think it’s one of them the ones they give to help people lose weight they’re stimulants
they’re intense stimulants so people who are struggling with eating disorders are likely to go
towards abusing stimulants or at least using them which can drain the adrenals it can in some
cases have been linked to the development of Addison’s disease liver damage from not eating
or binging and purging causing toxin buildup and possibly pain we can help people deal with it
as much as we can anemia which can cause symptoms of depression in and of itself so goes back to
that nutrition making sure they’re getting enough infertility which in and of itself can be
devastating for young women if they can’t have children anymore or can’t have children
ever that may be a grief issue that we need to help them deal with cathartic: and this is
an important one to be aware of because you don’t have to have somebody who uses laxatives
all the time but people who regularly use or abuse laxatives can become dependent on them so
when they don’t use them they have a feeling of bloating feeling full and abdominal pain which
especially in people with eating disorders or body morphic disorders surrounding just general
body fit bad back body fat can greatly increase anxiety depression hopelessness and in some
cases of suicidality so again educating people is the first step to helping them understand what’s
going on and how dangerous laxatives can be but also if somebody is trying to cut back on their
use of laxatives or just recently stopped using laxatives like when people stopped using
opiates it takes the body a while to get back online but for most people it eventually does
people with eating disorders also have chronic ulcers which are painful and can keep you up at night
As you know gastric reflux and pancreatitis which can flare up at a moment’s notice will is
extraordinarily painful and can cause people to lose time from school or work social activities
feel bad about themselves and also pancreatitis causes a lot of bloating
which in eating disorders is a huge trigger for anxiety and depression pathological gambling
is associated with stimulant abuse especially cocaine methamphetamine and Ritalin to stay
focused disrupted sleep and rebound depression when they quit taking that stuff they wake up and
they’re like oh wow what did I just do alcoholism is also associated with pathological gambling
some people drink to calm their nerves some people drink because it’s the culture if you go
to any of the casinos you know their hand-and-out drinks, they’re trying to get you drunk so you
keep gambling more and there’s as we spoke about earlier rebound depression or anxiety smoking
may help people increase their focus or make them think they can increase their focus so if
you can’t smoke in public places this is more of an issue if you have somebody who does a lot of
online gambling or they gamble at their friend’s house or somebody’s house where there’s poker
games and stuff smoking has some anti-anxiety anti-anxiety properties and may be part of the
the culture I know when my daddy used to have his poker games everybody would smoke cigars and even
the one woman who went there would be smoking a cigar with everybody else and it was just the
culture of being there so there are a lot of different reasons that people may use substances
in addition to gambling mental health issues from gambling anxiety from the stimulant use or from
the tension and release of am I going to you know I’m down $20,000 am I going to make it back ADHD
is also strongly associated with pathological gambling bipolar disorder, especially during manic
phases are associated with pathological gambling generally you see them co-occurring it’s not
like gambling causes it it’s you will see co-occur depression can occur due to losses and
gambling can start because somebody’s depressed because of their financial situation and their
trying to figure out a way to you know borrow from Peter to pay Paul and get ahead you also see
pathological gambling is more strongly associated with people who have obsessive-compulsive
disorder if you’ve got clients with these diagnoses just kind of you know be attentive to
the fact that they are more likely to engage in pathological gambling or if they start gambling
it’s more likely to become a problem than for people who don’t have these issues internet
an addiction that is diagnoseable so you know I’m not just making something up
depending on your resource affects eight point two percent to thirty-eight percent of the
general population now obviously we were looking at you know like games versus you know games plus
Facebook plus shopping or something so depending on the study you looked at their parameters
were a little bit different but either way up to 38 percent of the population has sacrificed
significant personal recreational activities to engage in some sort of internet
behavior Internet addiction can cause anxiety or depression due to eyestrain and chronic headaches
you know if you’re hurting all the time it can make you feel wonky it can also interrupt your
sleep can cause circadian rhythm disorder which can trigger depression fatigue reduced stress
tolerance this is a condition when your body doesn’t know whether it’s supposed to be awake
or asleep because a lot of people who engage in internet-addictive behaviors do so in the dark or
you know they don’t pay attention to whether the lights are on or not they may just sit there kind of
in their cave carpal tunnel contributes to pain and sleep disruption because carpal tunnel does
wake you up at night back ache again may disrupt your sleep and can cause chronic pain during the
a day which can interrupt your daily activities poor nutrition I know a lot of gamers that will sit
there for an entire weekend and not get up to go eat so if it’s not brought to them they don’t eat
they’ll even wear adult diapers so they don’t have to get up to go to the bathroom reduced immunity
due to exhaustion from not sleeping and job or relationship problems I know uh several people
whose marriages ended over a world of warcraft’ so internet addiction is a real thing and it’s
something that we need to be cognizant of because it does cause a lot of problems and a lot of
relationships and it may be one of many problems but it’s something to look at sex addiction
can cause hepatitis and a variety of different STDs which if not treated can cause systemic problems
it’s related to anxiety and depression because sex addiction may begin in order because somebody
wants to feel loved or connected maybe after a breakup or because they never felt loved you’re
connected and then they feel that rush and they’re like oh I like that I want to do that again part
of it could be engaging in that behavior which is so thrilling you know depends on the person
psychological withdrawal from sex addiction people who have been engaging in sex addiction
type behaviors and I include pornography addiction in it for this presentation if they’re not able to
access that may start feeling anxious or depressed they can’t get to that they can’t get to the
the thing that’s gonna cause the dopamine rush and reflection on behaviors that they’ve engaged in
as a part of their sex addiction can also prompt anxiety about a spouse finding out you know am I
going to develop an STD and am I you know how I feel about what I’ve been doing so as clinicians
if we’re working with somebody who has compulsive sexual behaviors even if you know anywhere about that
the spectrum we need to be aware that these things may exist and figure out or help them figure out
how they feel about it and what they need to do to make sure that they’re getting good sleep
that they’re dealing with their depression and their anxiety so that they can have a safe internal
and external environment so back to that global perspective how can we and why is it important
to address chronic illness and disabilities that result from or cause mood disorders or
addictions how can we address depression anxiety and hopelessness that results from or causes
depression anxiety or physical problems how can we address physical problems that are caused
by mood or addictions and how can we address guilt or regret which may accompany addiction
recovery or the realization of a diagnosis of a disease caused by the addiction so while you kind
of ponder those there was a question that came in so question what about robbing Peter to
pay Paul in association with trauma specifically childhood trauma so if you could clarify that
for me a little bit I had mentioned robbing Peter to pay Paul in terms of gambling so I’m just so
mental health issues can be caused by or trigger addictions or physical health issues addictions
can cause or trigger mental health issues or physical health issues that can
be caused by addictions or mental health issues so again chicken-or-egg we don’t necessarily know
which one came first when you have any one of these it’s probably going to or likely impact
each other person or each other area common issues are seen in all three changes in sleeping
changes in nutrition fatigue and grief effective treatment requires addressing the underlying
causes as well as the ripple effects you know so yes after childhood trauma or trauma
of any sort, some people may spend a lot of time feeding the addiction as you put it or
engaging in addictive behaviors to avoid some of the PTSD symptoms to avoid thinking about it
to deal with the grief to deal with the shame so they may engage in something that makes them
feel better or helps them forget to cope with the trauma that happened until they
have other tools so they can come to some sort of terms with it and you know as I
say close that chapter in their book already if there are no other questions tomorrow’s
the presentation I learned a lot creating is on alcohol-related dementia and vascular dementia
and fetal alcohol spectrum disorders all three of which are issues that are caused by substance
use and specifically alcoholism and then I’ll give you a hint about where an acute Korsakoff a
a lot of clients who abuse alcohol but they’re not alcohol dependent who decide to stop drinking can
trigger where Nikki Korsakoff syndrome and causes alcohol-related dementia-type symptoms
so again in mental health, we need to be on the lookout for it if we hear that our clients
are trying to cut down on their alcohol use alrighty everybody and so tomorrow is that
presentation and then Thursday we’re going to look at different models of new bottles of
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presentation of Documentation Principles and what you're supposed to do in
documentation. Over the course of the next hour or a little bit more yeah
buckle in guys it's going to be a while we're going to discuss the elements of
good documentation we're going to talk about different types of documentation
that you need to know how to do this is not a instructional manual or
presentation on how to write good treatment plans or good progress notes
this is really hitting the highlights so if you hit or you get to a place where
you hear about a type of documentation you don't feel comfortable with
especially treatment planning from what I've been told on the current
certification exams treatment planning plays a big role so you want to make
sure that you know how to identify effective interventions but that's a
different class today we're just going to hit the highlights of what you need
to know about documentation so documenting the treatment process the
client record is the most important tool to ensure continuity of care that's
going to help every person on the treatment team collaborate and
coordinate that's going to help you track progress remember what you did
last week and what you're doing in the future you know what your goals are it's
going to help the client visualize what's going to happen so documentation
is really important and remember if it doesn't get documented it didn't happen
and that's true in terms of billable services you know don't not document
something because you make a mistake because that'll still come back to bite
you but in terms of reimbursement and you know showing that you did what any
good therapist would do in order to prevent liability document document
document it's your best friend there are ways to shorten documentation there are
a lot of times that you can use check sheets and things create check sheets in
private practice to make it a little bit easier for
yourself but it is important to have that documentation documentation
contributes to service delivery by reducing the replication of services so
if I look and I see that jimbob's already been referred to a psychiatrist
well then I don't need to make a referral for Jim Bob to a psychiatrist
if I look and I see that he's already interacting with workforce development
services then I don't need to refer him there because it's already been done so
it saves some effort on everybody's part it presents a cohesive longitudinal
record of clinically meaningful information which is gibberish for
saying you can see the clients progress you can see what's worked you can see
what hasn't worked you can see incremental changes and more importantly
sometimes the client can see incremental changes so they can look back you know
six weeks and at what you were talking about back then and how they were
presenting and how they were feeling and then look at today and you can compare
and contrast so they can see that yeah everything may not be coming up roses
but there has been a significant improvement documentation helps ensure
reimbursement for services you don't ever want to say is going to ensure
because the people who are reimbursing have the right to not reimburse you know
they can deny claims so but you know you're not going to get paid if you
don't document so you have to document in order to have any hope of
reimbursement and good documentation will reduce the number of denials that
you get and it assists in guarding against malpractice because you're
documenting what was done by whom and if they were adequately credentialed you
know if you're referring somebody for a nutritional assessment to a dietitian a
registered dietitian you're going to note that in the record if you are
providing nutritional assessment and information yourself you're probably not
a registered dietitian which means you're not adequately credentialed so
you know you could see the difference but you're showing that you're referring
to other professionals and you're taking adequate precautions in the event that
somebody's in crisis or you know needs some other sorts of assistance clinical
documentation records professional services you do an intake we all know
what intakes are differential diagnosis it shows how you arrived at your
conclusion that this person has substance induced depression or or
whatever you're going to show how you ruled out some of the medical conditions
you're going to show how you ruled out underlying
mental health pathology placement criteria are used in decision making so
you have the a Sam generally sometimes it's the locus and you can use that to
show you know the powers-that-be if anybody ever comes and look at looks
at the record why you made the recommendation for residential or
outpatient or or whatever recommendation you made you can show your clinical
justification by the patient placement criteria which is really awesome now
sometimes the client is gonna say no you know you're recommending residential but
I'm not willing to do that and you're gonna document that in the chart what
your recommendation is and what the client chooses to do because they do
have the ability to choose but again you know you're showing that you made a good
honest effort to put them in what appears to be the best placement it
documents treatment and other services provided so we can see what's going on
if I'm looking at a record and of somebody and I'm hearing that they're on
medications but I have no record of any sort of a doctor and you know I've read
assessments before and it just drives me batty where they talk about a client
being on antidepressants for example but then the client never gets any sort of
mental health diagnosis and I'm like well what are they on the meds for if
the doc is prescribing meds the doc clearly thinks that they have some sort
of mental health issue so you want to identify what's going on what services
you're providing what refer you're making the response to any
interventions think about it this way you know if that client comes back for
another episode of care and we know in recovery oriented systems of care that
treatment is episodic and you may not be there the next time JimBob comes back
but the next therapist can go back and review the record and figure out what's
worked what didn't where the kind of where you left off and build upon that
instead of having to recreate the wheel which saves a lot of frustration a lot
of time and it enhances client engagement if they feel like they can go
in and kind of hit the ground running instead of having to you know start back
at square one it identifies referral services and the outcome not all
referrals are going to go swimmingly but generally they do and you want a
document that you're attending to the clients biopsychosocial needs if they
need housing you're referring to the appropriate agency that can help them
get housing if they need you know food stamps you're referring to the
appropriate agency where they can get that there's a little bit of case
management sort of stuff going on here because a lot of times you don't have a
case manager but it's important because a client who is homeless hungry in pain
and sick is not going to do really well on dealing with their depression or
their self-esteem because they're not getting their basic needs met so you
want to show that you're you know taking everything into account
it shows the clinical course the record can help you identify and look back
retrospectively and see you know what things may trigger an episode what
things may trigger a relapse what things tend to mitigate it and help it you know
not become so severe what sorts of interventions worked and looking at the
course you can see when it started and whether it's continuing to get worse or
whether it's starting to get a little bit better and instead of having long
relapse periods you have shorter episodes maybe of lapses and it shows
reassessment and treatment plan reviews people change you know as they get
better that's awesome they're changing and the treatment plan will need to be
updated to reflect their current needs and wants we want to do reassessments at
least every 90 days but preferably every 30 days a lot of insurance companies and
if you look at the level of care guidelines it's really important because
they can deny payment if you're not doing a treatment plan review every
single week for people who are in intensive outpatient partial
hospitalization or residential that's not true of every insurance provider but
it is true of a lot of them so you need to know how frequently you need to do
these things in order to prevent denial of payment records compliance with state
accreditation and payer requirements so you know clinical documentation helps
you you know document exactly what's going on in Florida for example the
state tells you certain services that have to be provided at the IOP level and
at the residential level and you need to be able to document that if you're
getting state funding you need to be able to document certain things if
you're accredited by Jayco are you're gonna have to be able to show in the
record that your treatment is you know in line with their guidelines you know
they're going to look around at what's going on now but they also want to look
at the charts to see you know how you actually follow through an entire course
of care and it helps you maintain payer compliance
I can't state this enough and we are in it to help people don't get me wrong and
I hate to harp on dumb reimbursement however if you don't get reimbursed you
don't keep your doors open so it's important to know what each payor
requires in terms of you know how quickly does the intake need to be done
how quickly does the treatment plan need to be done some payers say three days
some payers say a week how frequently does the treatment plan need to be
updated does the person have to see a psychiatrist within a certain period
of time for your high levels of care the answer is yes so all this stuff is in
what's called the level of care guidelines and each independent
insurance provider has their own level of care guidelines so my recommendation
and what I do in my practice is identify all of the providers that I accept and
then I take the most stringent requirements for everything from all the
different providers so I'm going above and beyond for some but I'm at least
meaning every single providers minimum requirements and it takes a little while
to do the crosswalk but it is well worth it because it helps you have a clinical
record that applies whether it's Blue Cross and Blue Shield or Aetna or United
or you know whomever documentation eases the transition to other programs and to
referral sources if you call up a referral source and say you know maybe
you're working with a client who has trauma issues and you're referring to an
EMDR therapist and you call them up and say hey I got this person coming over
and who's gonna need EMDR services sending them your way well that doesn't
give them anything to work on so instead of again having them rip open that wound
and go through you know a bunch of stuff that they've already talked about with
you that was painful and distressing the clinical record can help ease that
transition so the receiving therapist the EMDR therapist can review it and
kind of know what they're dealing with and then start a little bit ahead of the
game and it prevents duplication of information gathering when possible you
know everybody seems to have to get demographic information well if there's
a centralized clinical record that has the demographic information then
everybody can add to that instead of having to get the same demographic
information from clients every single time it facilitates quality assurance it
documents the appropriateness clinical necessity and effectiveness of treatment
when you are writing your integrated summary
you are going to identify things in the intake that you did that support your
diagnosis and support your intervention so you're gonna identify I'm doing this
because in order to meet this need we're going to use this intervention so it
identifies the clinical necessity you'll talk about appropriateness and that's in
terms of diagnosis that's in terms of treatment setting and that's also in
terms of age and culture so you're gonna if you use different interventions maybe
use cognitive behavioral for some things and you use experiential for something
else or maybe you refer to IOP for one thing for one client and you refer
another client to outpatient or residential the appropriateness can be
defended with your integrated summary and your patient placement criteria and
then the effectiveness of treatment is going to be seen in your progress notes
and your reassessments so you're going to be identifying okay we accomplish
this goal accomplished that goal accomplished the next goal and you're
gonna hopefully be marking them off and if you're not marking them off you're
you're going to have addendums where you did you know an adjustment to the
treatment plan in order to help the client start making progress towards
that sometimes you're gonna scrap a goal because something else comes up that's
more important I worked with one client who was just an amazing woman but she
found out when she was in treatment with us that she had breast cancer well you
know getting housing and getting a job those kind of goals kind of went out the
door when that came up and the one of the main focuses of treatment for awhile
became remaining clean and sober managing her anxiety and managing her
feelings and you know recovery from the breast cancer and she went into
significant chemotherapy and we were blessed enough to be able to keep her on
our unit while she was going through chemo because she didn't have any family
but you can see how sometimes you know there's a great treatment plan but then
life happens and you got a drop back in punt
and the treatment plan is going to show and the reassessment is going to show
why you changed gears or changed directions so nobody goes well what in
the world happened there you know I thought she was gonna discharge and then
three months later she's still on the unit what's going on well you know we
can we were able to justify why that was important
it substantiates the need for further assessment and testing if you have a
client who comes in who may have fetal alcohol spectrum issues you know because
we know that alcoholism runs in families it's not uncommon for clients to have a
mother who was an alcoholic now you know I'm not saying that every mother's an
alcoholic and every person who has an addiction has a parent a mother who's an
alcoholic but I'm saying the likelihood is higher if you're working with
somebody with an addiction that their mother and for fetal alcohol spectrum
disorders this has to be the mother because it's taint damage to the fetus
that's done in utero so you know dad doesn't have anything to do with that so
if you think the person has FASD or an F ASD you can refer because you need to
get neurocognitive testing and all kinds of other things done but that will help
them get set up for higher level services and reimbursement on multiple
levels through SSI potentially if they have significant impairment its
documentation supports termination or transfer of services if they've reached
maximal gains at this level of care it's going to show or and kind of along the
same thing if something happens and they can't participate in this level of care
right now they need to be transferred to a crisis stabilization unit
documentation will show why they were discharged from one place and sent to
another it identifies problems with service delivery by providing data to
support corrective actions when I worked at the facility I worked out we had
multiple programs we had case management and outpatient residential and detox and
crisis stabilization and yada yada yada and sometimes there would be too
cooks in the kitchen so referrals wouldn't go off as planned or one person
would think they were running the master treatment plan while another program
would think they were running the master treatment plan and then reimbursement
would get messed up so we were better able to figure out who was the single
point of contact for this client and what the treatment plan was adding two
methods to improve and assure quality of care so if we figure out that yeah this
is working really well but you know we have this great intensive outpatient
program but our aftercare program is really non-existent and it's it's
imperative to have an aftercare program let's look at how we can do this in
order to help people stay clean and sober it provides information that's
used in policy development program planning and research another example
that we used during the time that I was working at the at that clinic we
realized that there was a need for a mother baby unit there wasn't one in our
13 County region so we wrote a grant and we created a unit that reached out to
mothers who were still pregnant ideally didn't have to be but ideally
still pregnant we helped them stay clean and sober until they delivered and then
they stayed with us for another six months so we identified a gap in
services you know because pregnant and postpartum women were really not getting
a lot of services and we met that need and documentation provides data for use
in planning professional development activities it helps you see what might
be a need if you've suddenly got a lot of people coming in who have trauma
issues then staff maybe need to be trained on trauma focused cognitive
behavioral or cognitive processing therapy in order to better serve that
particular population or you may have an influx of clients from a different
culture you know right now in Florida there are a lot of people that have come
into Florida from Puerto Rico after the hurricane so there's a need for services
that are truly sensitive to people from Puerto
Rico so it helps you identify who's coming through our doors what are their
needs and what kind of training would benefit our staff so they can serve them
more effectively and it fosters communication and collaboration between
multidisciplinary team members a lot of times I would never see the doctor or
the psychiatrist when they would come to see the clients that were on residential
but I knew that they were reading my notes and they knew I was reading their
notes because we had to initial so it made sure that all of the people in the
team are at least communicating via the chart if not a team meeting unfortunately when you get into
documentation you also get into big sticky issues with confidentiality and
with substance abuse you need to be really aware of the Code of Federal
Regulations 42 part 2 or CFR 42 part 2 and this handles the confidentiality of
alcohol and drug abuse page patient records 42 CFR part 2 applies to all
records relating to the identity diagnosis prognosis or treatment of any
patient in a substance abuse program in the u.s.
So this is in addition to HIPAA
and hi-tech and all of those substance abuse clients have additional
protections there's a prohibition data that would identify a patient as
suffering from a substance use disorder or as undergoing substance use disorder
treatment you can't identify that information unless you have a specific
release of information so if you're seeing somebody for mental health issues
but they've also got you know a substance use disorder
you can't divulge that that's separate information and their record is extra
protected 42 CFR part 2 allows for disclosure where the state mandates
child abuse and neglect recording sometimes the child abuse and neglect is
directly related to the substance use or you're the only provider and you're in a
substance abuse treatment program and you have to make a mandated report
yeah it's allowed it allows for disclosure when cause of death is being
reported so if you have a client in your program who dies and you have to report
the cause of death you can disclose at that point or if the
client passes away when they're on your on your facility and unfortunately it
happens sometimes then you know obviously people are going to know where
that person died because the everybody's going to come pick them up and do the
investigation and you can disclose when there's an existence of a valid court
order sometimes the courts will say this is
important to know and that's varies by jurisdiction so in order to release
information you have to have a written release and a written consent requires
10 elements and this is so important because so often I see releases of
information that don't contain all ten elements number one do not ever have a
client sign a blank release of information you know saying you know
just in case we need it just sign it so I haven't know that's a big big big big
no-no so anyway the release of information to be valid and if it's not
valid then technically you can't release the information so it has to have all
ten of these elements the names of the program's making the disclosure the name
of the individual or organization that will receive the disclosure the name of
the patient who is the subject of the disclosure you know that's all pretty
standard the specific purpose or need for disclosure that gets a little bit
you know why are you making this disclosure because the client requested
it because of a court order in order to coordinate care what's the need a
description of how much and what kind of information will be disclosed generally
it's not everything you need a special release of information according to
HIPAA in order to release progress notes as opposed to release other information
so you know on ours we have we'll check boxes so you can identify
whether its assessment attendance drug trip drug testing results etc you have
to have a patient's right to revoke the consent in writing and the exceptions so
there has to be a paragraph somewhere that lets the patient know that they
have the right to revoke consent in writing you know at any time unless and
there are a few exceptions but there they're few and far between and your
legal department will handle that some agencies say clients can revoke consent
verbally however the requirement is only that it
has to be done in writing so if a client wants to revoke consent they need to
write it down and give it to you showing that they want the consent revoked and
then you know if they're there you cross through the the consent form you write
void you date it you put your initials on it and they put their initials on it
that's the ideal situation they can mail in a letter revoking consent as well you
have to have the date or condition when the consent expires if not previously
revoked now my program we always did a standard one year or 90 days depending
on the program unless the client revoked consent however your program may be
different or the client may choose the wind' the timeframe the signature of the
patient and/or other authorized persons so if the patient is a minor or is not
able to sign for themselves and they have an authorized representative
you know you need those signatures your signature and the date on which the
consent is signed so generally you have a witness there and you have the date
that the witness and the person signed it so it has to have all ten of these
things when used in the criminal justice setting expiration of the consent may be
conditioned upon the completion or termination from a program so when Jim
Bob gets released from jail this consent expires is can happen
information can be shared within an agency on a need-to-know basis only with
people on the treatment team only so it need to know you know if you're not on
the treatment team then you don't need to know so we used to have this big
medical records room and you would walk into it and there were literally
thousands of files could I have pulled a file off the off-the-rack and looked at
it and read it yeah I could have but that's not okay that is a violation of
HIPAA as well as a bunch of others because I have no need to know about any
random patient that is being seen so it's important to make sure that you've
got good control over who can access records information sharing can be done
with the release it can be done to the client you don't have to have a release
to give the information to the client or under specific circumstances and that
goes into confidentiality we'll talk about a little bit later agencies
generally have policies for who is allowed to release information so the
lady at the front desk probably can't release information it probably has to
come from the therapist or from the risk manager clients have the right to review
and amend their records if they request to view or amend the record is denied
then we must provide a written explanation to the client so you know
generally write your notes and write your everything assuming the client is
going to read it use objective information don't be you know derogatory
in any sort of way explain your findings and you know keep the client involved if
they request to amend the record and and the agency denies it for some reason it
says no you can't see your record or no you can't amend it there has to be a
really really good reason we had some circumstances where the client wanted to
amend the record and our executives decided that the amendment they were
going to make was not didn't seem to really have a good grounding in reality
the client was allowed to submit their amend
in their handwriting and it was added to the case file and noted that this was a
client amendment to the case file so your agency may handle it multiple ways
but unless you provide them really good reason they have the right to review and
amend the record now that doesn't mean take out something that you put in there
because once something's in the record it's in the record henceforth and
forevermore but they can add an addendum and so can you all right HIPAA and
hi-tech these protect insurance coverage of workers when they're when they change
or lose their job this is the idea what it was supposed to be for its safeguards
the privacy of their information so if you're changing jobs or whatever you
know nobody can really access your information to find out anything about
you before they hire you etc it combats waste in healthcare delivery because it
insures or hope hopefully ensures that we're communicating and the portability
part of HIPAA means clients can take their record from one place to the other
so you don't have to duplicate the intake and all a bunch of the other
stuff necessarily and it simplifies administration of health insurance
those were the that was the hope of HIPAA it kind of ballooned out of that
so what do we need to know about HIPAA medical records are legal documents all
states have policies regarding record retention medical records of adults are
retained for seven years medical records of minors may be retained for longer so
you need to know what your state requirements are agencies and solo
practitioners should have policies identifying retention and storage
policies so how long do you store it how do you store it how do you keep it safe
who has access to it yada yada yada back to CFR 42 all
records must remove patient identifying information and sanitize software
printer ribbons FAQs hard drives and printer hard drives when you're talking
about disposing of files you need to dispose
of them in a way that removes patient identifying information and if you use
hard copy still if you have software and this includes the hard drive in your
copier a lot of people forget that one that has to be wiped and printer ribbons
have to be destroyed fax hard drives have to be destroyed and
printer hard drives have to be wiped and I guess wiping is really what we're
calling it you don't have to actually physically destroy it but it has to be
completely wiped don't just delete the file if you delete the file it goes in
bits and pieces into your computer's never-never-land so to speak but people
can put those pieces back together that's actually what my husband does for
his you know career is find those pieces that have had been lost or somebody
tried to delete something and he gets it back all client records and identifying
information must be kept out of sight of unauthorized personnel well we know that
so we keep our records behind to close to closed and locked doors okay that's
great we have passwords in order to get into
computer systems that's great but there are other things like lists and rosters
you know sign-in sheets technically are supposed to be kept out of sight and
people aren't supposed to be identifying information attendance records you don't
want have want to have clients coming up and signing their own attendance record
where they can see who and their groups been there for the past five days and
who hasn't appointment schedules you don't want to be a client a client to be
able to see what your schedule is for the week and who's coming in to see you
computerized information must be on an encrypted hard drive full encryption of
the whole hard drive not just that one folder client records need to be kept
you know secure and phone messages you don't want to have the secretary
sitting there with 17 phone messages across her desk while other people are
coming in and checking in and then looking and going oh I didn't know Bob
Jones was the client here so you need to make sure that phone messages are kept
you know if they have the little message sheets keep them in a like a cigar box
or a pencil box and then disseminate them to the therapists as appropriate
therapists do the same thing don't have receipt books or phone messages just out
where any client can see them if you discontinue your program you decide to
close your practice or your practice gets bought by somebody else it must you
must remove patient identifying information from your records or destroy
your records including sanitizing any associated hard copies or electronic
media to render the patient identifying information non retrievable in a manner
consistent with the policies and procedures established under CFR 42 part
2 unless the patient gives written consent to transfer the records to the
acquiring program so if somebody buys your program your your practice you have
to keep those files for that 7 year period or whatever but and you're not
going to transfer those unless you have written release from the client or if
there's a legal requirement that records be kept for a period specified by law
which doesn't expire until after the discontinuation or acquisition of the
program so again if you haven't met your 7-year requirement that's generally a
legal requirement you still have to hold on to those records but you're not going
to pass them on and definitely not pass them on with
patient identifying information to the new program unless you have a written
release records which are paper must be sealed in envelopes or other containers
and labeled as follows records of insert name of program required to be
maintained under insert the statute or regulation until a date no later than
insert the appropriate date so basically it says I have to hold on
everything in this box or in this envelope that is sealed until XYZ date
and time at which time it will be destroyed all hardcopy media from which
the paper records were produced also need to be sanitized in order to render
the data non retrievable records which are electronic must be transferred to a
portable electronic device with implemented encryption so a hard drive
that has that is encrypted so there's a low probability of assigning meaning
without the use of confidential processes or key so you know what's on
that hard drive it's encrypted so nobody else can access it even if you know they
were to put it into a computer but you still have the client information there
the electronic records must be transferred along with a backup copy to
separate electronic media so that both records and the backup have implemented
encryption so you don't want to just have one hard drive because hard drives
can fail you need to have backups in order to say you're securely sir
securely saving the data within one year of the discontinuation or acquisition of
the program all electronic media on which the patient records or patient
identifying information resided prior to being transferred must be sanitized so
again you want to check with your legal department to see where the seven year
rule falls but if it's outside of that seven year rule then definitely within a
year after that the information needs to be destroyed portable electronic vise
device or the original backup electronic media must be sealed in a container
along with any equipment needed to read or access the information this is
important because technology moves quickly and you know back when I started
working on computers we had those you know five and a quarter floppy disks you
can't find a computer now that can read those most computers don't even have CD
drives in them anymore everything has to be on a thumb drive so you need to make
sure that not only is the information there
but it will be readable in the future and then there's a special thing records
of this program required to be maintained under this legal authority
until a date not later than duh so you want to label everything so you know
what it is when it's to be destroyed okay so many agencies govern the content
scope and quality of documentation the single state authority or SSA in your
state has state service and licensing rules so it's important to communicate
with your SSA and that's generally also the agency that does your licensing so
when you get licensed as an independent provider you'll know what the
regulations are the SSA may set forth time frames for documentation completion
and who needs to sign and credential the documents so if you're a registered
intern or you're not certified yet who has to co-sign on your documentation
accreditation bodies also put their two cents in about documentation and they
addressed quality from an organizational leadership and client care perspective
so generally accreditation bodies are looking at quality of care and quality
of documentation so good quality documentation will hopefully show good
quality care many agencies govern the content scope and quality of
documentation including third-party payers who set the guidelines through
their level of care guidelines and other provider agencies so if you are when I
worked with the Department of Corrections for example they had certain
very specific requirements for the documentation of my clients so what
types of documentation are there there's lots screening is the first type of
documentation and good screening identifies the referral source the
presenting problems background biopsychosocial information and this
isn't going to be an in-depth everything but it's going to get a general idea
about what's going on so we can rule out or rule in physical issues social
relationship interpersonal issues as well as psychological issues is going to
note the person's emotional and mental status at that time it will note their
strengths and preferences for treatment for recovery for interventions and it
will make a recommendation for assessment or other referral as needed
so sometimes screenings just happen like it workplace affairs the screening
happens and it's like yep you seem to be fine
no further action needed by the bank and that chart is closed for others you may
determine that the person may need a physical to rule out you know things
like hyperthyroid that may be causing symptoms that look like hypomanic
symptoms or look like stimulant intoxication you may need to refer to
detox you may there are a lot of referrals that may need to be made but a
screening is not a diagnostic interview it's when you identify whether there's a
likelihood that the person may have a problem that needs further assessment
intervention documentation so intervention is like your entry level
services intervention documentation includes client identifying information
the source of the referral client placement information you know why were
they put into your program when were they put in how long are they going to
be there the screening information that got them to that point informed consent
for services including any drug testing that may be required and drug testing
has its own form that needs to be signed dated credentialed by the client and
counselor and witnessed and if you've done drug tests you know all this but
it's important to get that informed consent for intervention services
there's a release of information that has all the ten necessary components as
needed so if you need to talk to a referral source get a release of
information signed the intervention plan which is a lot broader or whatever you
want to say than a treatment plan is signed dated and credentialed by the
client and counselor and witness so you know
you know this with your documentation you've probably done this already you
know with intakes and everything else the client signs it you sign it you both
date it and you have to make sure your credentials are on it if you're not
already certified or licensed then you have to have somebody who is certified
or licensed cosign on it most of the time intervention documentation also
includes copies of correspondence or reports with referral sources and a
transfer or discharge summary at the end of the intervention service
administrative documentation in general this is going to be the stuff that's
used for billing it's not the clinical it needs to be accurate concise include
recommendations referrals case consultations legal reports family
sessions and discharge summaries what you're like well that's kind of clinical
isn't it a little bit but in order to get reimbursed the administrative side
of things we have to have good documentation in all of those areas
administrative documentation is conducted at admission and specified
intervals throughout care so your administrative documentation is going to
be a reassessment it's going to be your treatment plan updates it's going to be
all of those things so types of administrative documentation your client
identifying and demographic information referral source name and address
financial information assigned client rights document assigned informed
consent for treatment document any releases of information that you need
assigned orientation to the program indicating that the client did receive
orientation outcome measures that help identify whether your program is being
successful and when you know when JimBob meets these criteria he or she is going
to be ready for discharge and client placement information that goes back to
your a sam or your locus medical documentation which is often in another
section of the file includes the medical history the nursing assessment the
physical exam the lab tests which almost always have to include
a TB and pre-admission physical records of medical prescriptions and changes in
medications that occurred you know what prescriptions were the person on when
they got there and what what did they take while they were in your program
even if you're not residential you need to know what meds they're on and any
changes that their doc may make or your doc and what are they discharged with
your medication administration records so if you're in residential then the
client is probably going to or may receive medication while he or she is
there so the medication administration records need to become part of the chart
to show you know when Jim Bob took his medication who administered it and
yadda-yadda and nursing notes so any notes that your staff nurse makes
regarding the client's progress now clinical documentation is the stuff that
we enjoy doing screening assessment treatment planning progress notes and
your discharge summary so we're going to get into those in the
in a few minutes I do want to mention electronic health records really quickly
because you know you have all this administrative medical and clinical
documentation a lot of times now it's going into an electronic health record
health information technology is the secure management of health information
on computerized systems it helps track data over time track progress of those
who leave treatment and monitor quality care within practice just like
documentation does but when it's on a computer it's a whole lot easier to run
a program and get pretty little charts spit out behavioral health lags in
adoption of these electronic health records because of cost technical
limitations you know there's a lot of different players who want different
things so creating a standardized electronic health record for behavioral
health has been really difficult lack of standardization of data elements lack of
interoperability of systems between you know doctors and therapists and whatever
you know you have to have if your doctor has a system made by X Y Z and you have
a system made by Acme they still have to be able to talk it's kind of like
getting an apple or a Mac computer and a Windows computer to talk doesn't always
happen so we need to make sure that the different electronic health records out
there can communicate with one another attitudinal constraints we don't like
change an organizational lack of expertise in health information
technology management most programs don't have a technology director
especially smaller programs so integrating this is really overwhelming
and it can be really costly if everybody has to have a computer in order to put
in there their client information general elements of clinical
documentation whether it's administrative clinical or medical must
be clear concise accurate written in ink time stamped or dated so you have to
have all that information in there if you write
I've had some staff members their handwriting was atrocious you could not
read their notes or their assessments to save their life that is not good
clinical documentation because it doesn't help anybody documentation is an
ongoing responsibility for all professionals and should be completed as
soon as possible after the contact don't wait until Friday to do all your notes
for the week ethically you need to do it as soon as possible and I'll give you a
little hint when I do groups oftentimes I will have a sheet that I pass out at
the end of group has the client identify three things they got out of group and
then you know a couple other questions about you know how they're feeling if
they feel like they need a treatment plan reassessment and just a few other
things to give me information then I have something in the clients
handwriting to put in the chart but I also have the brunt of the progress note
kind of done already and if you use soap notes or DAP notes you can kind of put
that on there and have the client fill out what they think they would put for
their notes that's helpful in group for individual individual sessions are
generally supposed to be 45 to 50 minutes so I end right about 45 minutes
maybe a little longer tend to run late and the client and I create the progress
note together that way they review what we talked about they review the progress
they've made they review what they're supposed to be doing in the upcoming
week and they know what's going in the chart so it's not mystical and magical
you know they are an active participant and I have the note done before the end
of the hour so it's kind of a win-win-win all around
okay documentation of sure's accountability the responsibility for
accurately representing the client situation rests with the counselor and
the clinical record not the client so like I'm saying we can get all of this
input from the client but making sure that it's accurate when we put it in
there and you know pulling it all together is incumbent upon us
good clinical documentation spares the client from repeating painful details so
we're not going to have them you know if you're talking with a client about a
trauma situation you're gonna put enough in your clinical record that you don't
have to have them remind you you know remind me again about what happened when
your house burned down or what no that's rude um so you want to have enough
documentation that gives you an overview or the next counselor sort of an
overview of what happened and then if they need to delve into details later
they can language language must be objective but descriptive so if you're
saying that the client is decompensating well that doesn't tell me anything
in what way as evidenced by you know the client is I diagnosed with the client
with depression because they have these symptoms as evidenced by that is your
best friend phrase as evidenced by documentation must identify persons
places direct quotations and sources of information so if the client says you
know I'm really feeling off my game you can put that in there so we know kind of
where the clients coming from we want to use direct quotes from collateral
sources that we get and identify who gave us this information clinical
documentation is a legal record and the clinicians signature and credentialing
indicates the truthfulness of it so if you sign it then it happened the
treatment plan good treatment plans are hard to come by they're really easy to
write if you don't overthink it but I find that most people overthink it so
there's a hole that's actually a couple of classes on treatment planning because
it is so important not only to guide treatment but to help clients learn how
to set goals and achieve them treatment plans are a contract between the client
counselor and treatment team each being responsible for its development and
implementation the clinician needs to recognize that treatment occurs in
different settings over time so you know treatment may be happening but you know
counseling is only part of what going on there also in maybe case
management or vocational rehabilitation or you know so treatment occurs medical
in different settings and we need to be able to integrate all that into the
treatment plan much of the recovery process occurs outside of or immediately
following formal treatment when people do their homework assignments and they
have their aha moments when they generalize their progress when they
create that support system on the outside treatment is often divided into
phases engagement stabilization primary treatment and
continuing care treatment planning plots out a roadmap for the treatment process
treatment plans are completed once a diagnosis is made a level of care is
determined and the client is admitted to the program now after the initial
assessment there's usually an initial treatment plan done but the real
treatment plan generally needs to be completed within three to five days
after admission once the clinician has finished the assessment paperwork and
everything level of care is determined based on diagnosis and the clients
strengths and assets so if you're familiar with the a Sam for example
recovery environment is one of those dimensions that we look at and if
they've got a really strong recovery environment then the option may be or
decision may be made to refer the person to eiope instead of residential whereas
if they have a really poor recovery environment then we may opt to refer the
person to residential so they have a better chance in the first 30 to 60 days
of you know getting a handle on things treatment plans address all
biopsychosocial needs not just mental health they establish what changes are
expected through achievable goals clarifies what interventions and
counseling methods will be used to help the patient achieve those goals sets the
measures that will be used to gauge success and that's where we go with as
evidenced by again so if the client says you know instead of saying I'm going to
quit using drugs they may say I'm going to develop a healthier life
so how do we know when the client has developed what he or she defines as a
healthier lifestyle well as evidenced by I'm going to develop a healthier
lifestyle as evidenced by getting eight to nine hours of sleep a night eating a
relatively nutritious diet as decided upon but between myself and the
dietitian developing healthy support systems yada yada
you see what I'm getting at so you're going to be able to go through and
anybody would be able to go through and Mark off and say either yes or no
achieved it achieved it achieved it achieve the goal so it's kind of a yes
or no thing treatment planning incorporates the clients strengths needs
abilities and preferences and I'm big on this you all probably know that if you
took our addiction counselor certification training course
temperament is huge extroverts and introverts have different needs judgers
and perceivers have different needs auditory and visual learners have
different needs and people in general based on their culture and just their
cognitive aptitudes are going to have different strengths and needs so we want
to form the treatment plan around the clients strengths and build off what's
already there what already works referrals are made to other agencies as
needed when referrals are made collaboration is essential to keep
clients from falling through the cracks so treatment planning is going to
identify you know client will get enrolled for Medicaid well you're
probably not going to do that so you're going to identify who the client is
going to see at whatever office they've got to go to in order to get enrolled in
Medicaid but that's going to be part of the treatment plan treatment planning
information even within the agency is restricted to need-to-know and treatment
plans may have to be co-signed by a clinician who is already certified or
licensed the function of the treatment plan well treatment planning is an
action-oriented process that lays out logical goal directed strategies for
making positive changes just like if you're going to make
lasagna from scratch and you're gonna follow a recipe same sort of thing here
and based on your preferences you know when I make my marinara sauce I use roma
tomatoes that is my preference I know other people who use different kinds of
tomatoes so different preferences I know that I want to do it in a shorter period
of time so I'm not going to make the the noodles from scratch that's a need that
I have because I don't have the time to make noodles from scratch so my recipe
is going to be slightly different than my stepfather's recipe but that's okay
and treatment planning is the same way just think of it very very
simplistically like a recipe don't get too overwhelmed and tried trying to make
it too complex because clients aren't going to be able to make complex
treatment plans and treatment planning establishes a collaboration between you
and the client so you can mutually prioritize agreeable goals you figure
out what do you want I've worked with clients who were involuntary and you
know they didn't really want to quit using however they were on probation and
they wanted to get off probation well I wanted them to get off probation but I
wanted him to quit using in order to get off probation they had to be clean
during the time they were in treatment so that became our goal because that was
mutually agreeable you know it's like well your goal is to get off probation
in order to do that you got to stay clean so let's work together to make
that happen during the next 16 weeks and generally it worked that way achievable
goals are selected by assessing and prioritizing client needs and taking
into account their level of impairment if you've got a client who is
significantly impaired they've got major clinical depression they're detoxing
from five years of stimulant abuse they're not going to be going out and
getting a job next week that's you know well down the road so the goals we're
looking at now are more like stabilization and engagement you want to
take into account motivation what does the client want to achieve because
they're not going to be real motivated to achieve what you want
to achieve unless they want to get out they want to get discharged from the
program successfully and in order to do that they've got to meet your goals but
ideally help them identify goals that are meaningful to them and you're going
to look at the real world influences on needs so if they're going to be
discharged in 30 days even though they may not be quite ready to start looking
for housing if they need to have housing when they get out in 30 days then that's
probably going to be a high priority treatment plan goal because you don't
want them being discharged to the street treatment plants consider client needs
readiness preferences and prior treatment history looking at what did
and didn't work because there's no sense repeating something that you've done
four times that hasn't worked yet we're going to look at their personal goals
and then we'll look at obstacles like transportation and childcare and those
sorts of things that might preclude someone from going into residential or
make it difficult for them to get the evening IOP for example treatment plans
have SMART goals specific measurable achievable realistic and time limited
these goals are broken down into smaller objectives so you know think about it
like you want to climb a staircase well that's great that's your goal you want
to climb a staircase in the next 45 days wonderful you're gonna be taking a
little while at each step but each step is an objective so your end goal is the
top of the staircase what is the first thing you need to do to start moving
towards the top of that staircase what's your first step all right once you get
that done what's the next thing you got to do again think of the recipe first
thing you've got to do is find the recipe then you've got to figure out
what you've got on hand then you've got to figure out you know what you need
from the store then you've got to go shopping you know one step at a time
don't make it too complex treatment plans anticipate the type duration and
frequency of services so you know a lot of times we may say if they're in IOP
there's going to be three hours a day five days
week for the first month and then once they accomplish certain goals then they
can step down to three hours a day three days a week
etc treatment plans identify who's responsible for what so if the client
has to go do something it's going to be clearly indicated that the client needs
to make the appointment with social services to get enrolled in programming
versus the counselor will make the appointment for the client to go to
Social Services you know whoever supposed to do it it needs to be noted
and there has to be a timetable you know this needs to be accomplished by X date
if it doesn't get accomplished by X date it's not the end of the world however
you need to do a reassessment and go okay why didn't this happen
what do we need to adjust it incorporates client input and
participation in development it helps the client prioritize presenting issues
so I mean they come in and generally there's a whole litany of stuff that
they need to work on and it can feel really overwhelming
but I liken it to a woven blanket for clients that woven blanket is over your
head right now you can't breathe you can't see it's miserable it's hot any
string you pull on is gonna start making air holes in that blanket and making it
lighter and eventually you will unravel the whole blanket so let's figure out
you know of the issues that you've got going on right now which are most you
think are most important to work on and which are you most motivated to work on
what string are you willing to pull first you get input from client on their
goals and objectives so what is there as evidenced by look like you know if I am
happier as opposed to being depressed what is that going to look like if I am
healthier as opposed to unhealthy what is that going to look like how am I
going to know when I'm living a healthier lifestyle and both the
counselor and client sign the plan the clinician may also facilitate and manage
referrals because oftentimes we don't have case management that we can rely on
at minimum the plan is a flexible document that uses a stage match process
to address identified substance use disorders
so stage match process if you think back to the stages of readiness for change
pre contemplation contemplation preparation action and maintenance each
stage requires different interventions so that's tip 35 from Samsa if you need
to refresh it looks at the recovery support environment
it addresses potential potential mental health conditions you know based on
readiness for change for that issue you know somebody may be in the action stage
of readiness for change on their substance use but not you know ready to
do a lot about their anxiety it's usually the opposite but whatever so you
need to make sure that you stage match by issue because the person is not just
going to be globally in the action stage of change there are going to be some
things that they're not really that ready to work on yet you want to
identify potential medical issues employment education spiritual issues
social needs and legal needs and there are other things like childcare and
other wraparound services that can go into this too but these are the big ones
initial treatment plans are done an admission or within 24 hours based on
information from the assessment and screening and serves as the initial
roadmap they include presenting problems preliminary goals type frequency and
duration of service and the signature and date of the client and counselor
with counselor credentials so again this is the initial treatment plan as you get
into treatment and start to know the client a little bit better you're going
to formulate a more in-depth treatment plan this one has to be done either at
admission or within 24 hours an individualized treatment plan has the
problem and a problem description that answers the question why are you here
that's the problem not the goal I'm here because I have a substance use disorder
what's my goal to not have a substance use disorder it identifies the clients
strengths you know we are going to build on strengths so client will build on his
to stay clean and sober yada yada it has concrete measurable goals concrete means
you can observe them you can see them you can either say yes it was done or no
it wasn't not yeah it was probably accomplished it's yes or not the
objectives are there so that big goal is broken down into those smaller steps
it has strategies for achieving those smaller steps so you know if the first
step is to start building a recovery support network well that's wonderful
how are you going to do that strategies answer how you start going to a a
meetings you know start going back to church call up your five closest friends
that are healthy supports whatever the treatment plan includes the diagnosis
usually that's up at the top the signature of the client and counselor
and the signature of the clinical supervisor if required ongoing
assessment and collaboration is used to regularly regularly review the treatment
plan and make necessary modifications many IOP and residential programs have
to review the treatment plan once a week with the client and get the client to
sign off sometimes you get a 30-day reprieve but you need to know what your
payers and your state requires review should be completed at minimum at major
or key points in the client's treatment course including admission obviously
you're going to develop it readmission you know maybe they discharged and they
were out for three months and then they relapsed and they're back well you may
be able to look at their treatment plan and see where they're supposed to be
because they were in an IO P program and work with that but you're gonna need to
reassess it at readmission at transfer at discharge if there's a major change
in their condition such as you know they'd have a manic episode or they're
admitted to the crisis stabilization unit for suicidal ideation you're gonna
do a reassessment and after 12 months regardless of what's going on after 12
months progress notes document the clients progress in relationship
treatment plan goals and objectives each progress note should have the problem
name and number because most clients will have like three treatment plan
problems and then multiple like say eight objectives underneath it so maybe
substance abuse recovery is the first treatment plan problem okay so that's
problem number one and goal number a if you will the first goal is to start
developing a recovery support system so in the treatment plan if I talk with the
client about developing that recovery support system then I'm going to
identify that we talked about problem 1a and what we what we addressed the
progress note identifies what the client says and does generally I mean you're
not going to do it verbatim it puts in counselor observations and assessments
if the client seems to be doing really well as evidenced by and the clients
observations and assessments I always put those in there too how do they think
they're doing and what's their evidence as evidenced by and continued plans to
address the presenting problem you also may need to document any new information
if they get into a new relationship get a new job breakup
whatever that will go in the progress notes the format for most people is the
soap format the first part is the specific objective information and the
last part is the assessment the interpretations and the plan for how to
proceed you want to document the clients progress progress notes are based on
what the client says and it does what the clinician observes the clients
attitude demeanor nonverbals you know how compliant they are with treatment
the counselors knowledge and experience so counselors are going to be able to
differentiate between a lapse and a relapse for example they're going to be
able to differentially diagnose if the client starts presenting with some
symptoms of depression for example the clinician is going to rule out
the use of depressant substances they're going to rule out detoxification from
stimulants they're going to rule out hopefully medical conditions and they
may rule in mood disorders or something so differential diagnosis is important
to look at the physical and other potential causes for symptoms and danger
to self or others I encourage my staff at every single treatment meeting to
identify whether the client had any suicidal or homicidal ideation espoused
I mean if they said I'm suicidal or I wish I could end it all that needs to be
documented and to identify if the client had future plans was oriented to place
and time you know just a general Mini Mental Status exam at every contact is
really good to protect you and even in group I mean you're looking at people
and are they bright and are they oriented and are they talking about
future things or they withdrawn and sad and tearful and talk about how you know
there doesn't seem any point in being there well you know if you hear that you
probably need to pull them aside and talk to them more in depth so you know
get a some documentation that you had good contact with the client and you
have a good kind of idea about the pulse of things progress notes are not a
verbatim transcript but a cohesive summary so one page you know don't write
a dissertation the discharge summary discharge planning begins at admission
discharge planning begins at admission okay I know I said it twice because it's
that important you see client Jim Bob and you know your things are going well
but then client Jim Bob goes out and relapses and never comes back
well he's discharged at that point you don't know when the client is going to
discharge necessarily so if you begin discharge planning at admission which
actually is required by most insurance companies then you have a plan and you
and Jim Bob have made a plan for this is how you're going to progress
these are the options and resources available to you so Jim Bob has
something to work off of in case he never returns you want to
summarize in your discharge summary the service is delivered you know the
discharge summary is done when Jim Bob is actually discharging discharge
planning begins at admission so the discharge summary summarizes any
services you did deliver how well the client accomplished goals and objectives
and any discharge recommendations including referrals continuing care etc
the elements of the discharge plan include the referral source you know
because this is going to go back to the referral source saying Jim Bob
discharged this is the summary of what happened presenting problems and the
reason for services treatment goals methods and outcomes outcomes generally
pertain to the person's ability to attain recovery build resistance and
work learn live and fully participate in the community of choice so discharge
summary is basically a big summary of the entire treatment episode it's going
to indicate the condition of the client at discharge your prognosis and you know
that's a little subjective but we got to make it follow up recommendations
including continuing care and the aftercare plan and the counselors
signature date and credentials you want to include the reasons for discharge on
the discharge summary but reasons for discharge can be varied treatment
completion that's the idea they may lead leave AMA or against medical advice
that's not so ideal but it happens treatment non-compliance they're just
not getting with the program or they're showing up and they're under the
influence or you know a variety of reasons that it's therapeutically
indicated to discharge them or treatment was just incomplete you know again they
left before treatment finished they just it wasn't some what treatment incomplete
is a lot like AMA but those are the four main reasons for discharge identified
for the review exam organization of documentation is gonna
vary a little bit between each agency but each page has to have the clients
name and some sort of identifying number all entries must be signed if you make
an error in documentation you line through it once you don't scratch it out
you line through it once initial it date it and write error above it notes of any
sort should never be removed from a file if you have late entries or Corrections
they're put in as a separate document and noted as an addendum to you know
progress note from to one of 18 or whatever so clinical document character
at documentation characteristics need to be written knowing that others will read
it it needs to be objective you know stay away from vague terms like client
is doing well if you use a vague term then explain it as evidenced by uses
descriptive behavioral terms client is oriented to person place and time not
client seems to be with it today you know you want to use descriptive
behavioral kind of clinical terms it avoids jargon so you don't want to
overuse clinical clinical terms and it keep it simple again remember the client
may read this it's concise and it's positive you know these are the steps
the client is making this is the progress the client is making yes the
client has had a setback but hey he returned for treatment and you know
we're picking up and figuring out what we did wrong you don't want to be
doomsaying and talking about how the client is non-compliant and resistant
and just doesn't seem to want to be here and you want to keep it as positive as
possible focusing on the strengths and the progress and making lemonade
whenever you your client gives you lemons all right well that was a lot
that we covered and I know documentation is not the most interesting thing but
that kind of hits the highlights of what you need to know for
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presentation of addiction and co-occurring disorders part two the physiology of addiction and mental
health issues over the next hour we’re going to discuss somewhat generally because there’s a
a lot of stuff to go over neurotransmitters which we’ve talked about some before but then we’re also
going to talk a little bit more today than we’ve talked in the past about sex hormones thyroid
hormones and stress hormones and how all of those interact in the body to increase or decrease the
availability of certain neurotransmitters we’re going to go on from learning about the different
hormones and neurotransmitters to discussing the physics all the physiology of emotion and
motivation and again we’ve kind of covered that but we’re going to go over it real quick again
we’ll talk about the physiology of sleep what happens during sleep and what happens to those
hormones or neurotransmitters when you don’t get enough sleep what happens when you eat why
is eating sometimes rewarding what happens when people take stimulants whether it’s caffeine or
methamphetamine what happens when we turn up the system and how does that affect the availability
of certain neurotransmitters and then we’ll talk about the physiology of depressants so we’re
looking in general at what these things do as far as the physiology of addiction we’re going
to talk generally about that right at the very end so your inhibitory neurotransmitters are
those brain chemicals turn down the system so instead of being hyped up and awake
and yadda-yadda your calm you are relaxed you are maybe even sleepy too drowsy so your inhibitory
neurotransmitters are the ones that kick in or counteract the excitatory ones serotonin
is your primary inhibitory neurotransmitter it’s broken down to make melatonin and help you sleep
okay so we know that it’s also responsible for a lot of our bowel function angle and also
for not it’s implicated in nausea and motion sickness and they found that there are a lot fewer
side effects to serotonin antagonists than there are to dopamine antagonists when we’re talking
about helping people who have motion sickness and nausea so anyway just a little aside there but
serotonin is 80 percent of it is actually in your GI tract and it is implicated in bowel function
so when we’re thinking about clients who may have an imbalance in serotonin and who may have greater
pain sensitivity we want to start thinking about you know how is their GI working and is are some
of their problems with you know stomach problems pain irritable bowel that kind of stuff is that
caused by a serotonin imbalance or is that causing a serotonin imbalance or maybe serotonin is not
implicated at all and it’s something completely different serotonin is also implicated in anxiety
and aggression if you don’t have enough of it you tend to be more anxious and aggressive because
you’re not having the turn down if you will low serotonin has also been implicated in poor impulse
control so we like serotonin but we found and we’re gonna talk about that throughout
this class of serotonin has often been given the go-ahead or been implicated for a whole lot of
things and we’ve said okay if this happens then it’s low serotonin if this happens then it’s low
serotonin and as it goes but no the research is finding that that’s rarely true that
most of our problems whether it be GI problems or mental health problems or addictive issues
don’t necessarily involve serotonin at all there is a subset of people for whom it does but the
majority of people which is why antidepressants are ineffective for about 70 percent of the
population for them shortie of the people it’s not serotonin so we do want to keep that in the back
of our mind yes serotonin is everywhere throughout the body 80% of it is in our gut and our gut is
not necessarily going to communicate directly with our brain we cannot measure neurotransmitter
levels effectively in a live human being just not how it works right now there are tests out there
that say they can measure your neurotransmitter levels and that’s true but it’s not telling you
how much of that neurotransmitter is in your gut or your muscles or wherever versus in your
brain so those tests for our purposes as mental health clinicians and people who come to us who
may want to know well what antidepressant should I be on they’re not all that effective
okay so depression has been debunked as being linked to serotonin in the majority of
cases serotonin is implicated as one of those neurotransmitters involved in pain control in people
with lower serotonin tend to have a lower pain threshold so it hurts more and that doesn’t mean
that they’re sissies or anything like that it just means that they are more reactive or they
feel more pain because they don’t have the same level of serotonin and maybe endogenous opioids
kind of coursing through their system serotonin is also like I said involved in sleep an interesting
fact is that alcohol impairs the body’s ability to convert tryptophan which is an amino acid
to serotonin so when you have somebody who’s an alcoholic let’s think about how this works
if they are drinking and maybe they’re eating a perfectly healthy diet and they just happen to
drink a lot if their body can’t convert tryptophan to serotonin then all of these problems up here
that may be implicated by low serotonin can start to rear their ugly head because the body can’t
To make serotonin out of anything else it has to make it from tryptophan and if it can’t make serotonin
then it can’t make melatonin which is involved in sleep and you’re gonna see how important all that
is later so the take-home message with that is that alcohol is something to be considered
for moderation especially if we have a client who is struggling with depression maybe they’re not an
alcoholic but they need to consider the long-term impact if they want to feel better is preventing
their body from making using the building blocks to make the neurotransmitters that they may need
is it worth that drink remember that serotonin has been found in research to be
implicated in low serotonin is implicated in people with generalized anxiety disorders so
it hasn’t been completely just been debunked for everything but researchers and clinicians
finally are starting to realize that there are a multitude of reasons that somebody could have
a mood issue that somebody could have even low serotonin okay if the person has low serotonin
alright that’s fine let’s address it but what is causing the low serotonin we’ll look at
that more in the next few slides GABA is your other major inhibitory neurotransmitter it has
sedative depressive and anti-anxiety properties to them the really interesting thing it’s and when
I say depressive I mean it slows down everything it’s not that it makes people depressed but it’s
your anti-anti-anxiety natural anti-anxiety neurotransmitter helps improve concentration by
filtering out background noise so you’re able to focus a little bit better when you’ve got normal
levels of gaba help with impulse control think about when you’re anxious when you’re a
little bit revved up when you’re stressed out and somebody scares you maybe you’re a little bit
more jumpy well think about if you have GABA at the right levels in your system and you’re not
stressed out and somebody scares you are you as jumpy are you as impulsive a lot of our impulses
are associated with wanting to make a threat or a pain go away so if you’re not perceiving as
many threats you’re probably not going to be as impulsive another little interesting side thing is
that glucose you know sugar is necessary for the formation of GABA so people with hypoglycemia
can have a reduction in GABA and an increase in anxiety so think about if your blood sugar
gets low even if you are not hypoglycemic but you know you got to work back-to-back patients
you didn’t take time for lunch yet back-to-back patients you’re on the drive home from the office
your blood Sugar’s low you are you more likely to respond with some anxiety or irritability to
things that happen versus when you are well nourished and your blood sugar is kind of stable
for most people, they’re gonna say yeah I tend to be a little bit cranky err when my blood sugar
is low and shake gear alright so those are our two inhibitory neurotransmitters glutamate is
generally acknowledged to be the most important neurotransmitter for brain functioning and
it’s excitatory it gets you up it gets you going it gives you energy and it’s responsible
for helping us learn and remember things so if you’ve got low levels of glutamate you know you
might have difficulty concentrating and learning now the interesting thing is that glutamine
which is an amino acid you eat glutamine is converted into glutamate all right well that
makes sense so you eat something it is turned into this neurotransmitter that’s excitatory the
interesting thing is gaba is made by the breakdown of glutamate so you have if you have glutamate
then you can have Gaba if you don’t have enough glutamate then you’re not going to have enough
GABA so it’s a balance like taking a warm bath and you know this is important to remember
simply because we want to know what’s rubbing us up and what’s slowing us down norepinephrine or
noradrenaline depending on where you are is what they call a catecholamine it increases arousal and
alertness promotes vigilance and focuses attention so you’re hearing a theme here about attention
and memory it enhances the formation and retrieval of memories so in your norepinephrine that’s your
motivation chemical is secreted it encourages you to pay attention to remember and to be able to go
and file things away and access them easily it can also promote restlessness and anxiety if
you have too much so it’s all about moderation when I talk about too much or too little of a
neurotransmitter everything is always about all of the other neurotransmitters and hormones
so we can’t just necessarily get a measurement and go well you’ve got too much of this well we have
to know what the levels of everything else are it would be kind of like making a marinara sauce and
saying you a teaspoon of garlic is how much you need but that teaspoon would be enough if you
were making maybe two quarts of marinara sauce but if you are making 4 gallons all of the
other spices and everything would be in much larger proportions so what a teaspoon be enough
so we need to know what proportions all the other chemicals are at in order to know how much we need
and since we can’t measure them we’re just kind of left guessing dopamine is another catecholamine
and it’s broken down to make norepinephrine now normally we think of dopamine as our pleasure
reward chemical which it is don’t get me wrong it’s that’s what is there for and it tells us
I want to do that again but it’s broken down to make our focus concentration motivation chemical
interesting so we need dopamine to make norepinephrine we need norepinephrine to want to
get up and go so if we are draining our dopamine system through addictive behaviors or some other
reason guess what we’re not going to be able to make enough nor epinephrine or those receptors
that usually receive the norepinephrine and the dopamine are going to be basically unresponsive
and you’re going to knock on the door and nobody’s going to open so dopamine is broken down to make
norepinephrine which is your motivation chemical high levels of dopamine in the brain generally
enhance mood and increase body movement too much dopamine may produce nervousness irritability
aggressiveness and paranoia so think about cocaine if somebody takes a whole lot of really good
cocaine this is probably what we’re going to see because the levels of dopamine in their brain
just skyrocketed and everything else didn’t catch up there was no signal to all the other chemicals
to go okay we’re gonna have a surge here so we have all of those neurotransmitters that are
responsible for helping us feel happy serotonin helps us feel theoretically calm and content
and focused gaba is an anti-anxiety medication or not medication but a neurotransmitter and then
dopamine glutamate and norepinephrine are all of our excitatory ones they’re the ones that get
us guess what excited happy excited mad excited whatever the excited is they Rev us up and that’s
what we label with our emotional feeling states so what is this HPA axis thing that I talk about
every once in a while in response to stress the level of various hormones change and reactions to
stress is associated with an enhanced secretion of several hormones including your gluta Co
corticoids which is cortisol your catecholamines to increase mobilization of energy sources
which is blah blah blah blah blah you get stressed your body sends out the message that
we need some energy we need some fuel for this fight-or-flight response cortisol is activated and
it’s a glue to co corticoid which tells your body we need to prepare we need to get some glucose
going so got energy for this fight-or-flight thing catecholamines adrenaline and dopamine are
released that’s your body going okay we have this energy now let’s get the team revved up the other
thing that happens though is jörgen a door opens are suppressed your body goes you know we don’t
really have time for sex right now so let’s not worry about it so your sex hormones tend to be
suppressed under high stress levels okay well who cares you’re gonna find out in a little while
but that’s kind of a big deal because there is a strong relationship between the amount of and the
balance of our sex hormones and the availability of serotonin-norepinephrine and dopamine in our
bodies oh well sweet this here we are androgen or testosterone what we want to look at is what does
it do it helps helps us with concentration mood and not enough of it can result in an increase in
belly fat they found that in men depending on the research that you look at somewhere between 30
and 40 years of age they start losing somewhere between 1% and 1.5 percent of their testosterone
each year and so you’re thinking well you know that’s not that much but you’ve also got to
remember that everything’s in a balance so they’re losing their testosterone but what else is
not decreasing estrogen so some articles have kind of termed it manopause if you will the increase
in estrogen can increase irritability difficulty concentrating and belly fat as well as Gyna
mastika or the development of excess fat in the breast area so something interesting to look
at if you’re dealing with patients male patients who are over the age of 40 who are having suddenly
if you will depression or anxiety issues or are talking about their midlife crisis that those
all of those things could be precipitated by in their neurochemistry because of a drop
in testosterone not necessarily but it’s one positive or one possible reason estrogen believe
it or not is a neuro stimulant estrogen revs us up receptors for estrogen are very abundant
in the emotional center of the brain called the amygdala and the hypothalamus which is involved
in what we just talked about the HPA axis which tells us to fight flea or freeze estrogen
increases serotonin receptor responsive ‘it increases the number of serotonin receptors
in the body and enhances serotonin transport and uptake so we might hypothesize and we don’t
know any of this for sure that if someone’s mood disorder started or fluctuates in response to
fluctuations in their estrogen then there might be a serotonin component to this mood disorder
because estrogen is so intimately connected with serotonin availability high levels of estrogen are
associated with anxiety one thing that they found in American culture and industrialized nations
but especially American culture is we have a lot of chemicals and stuff that we eat that tend
to and habits that we do that tend to increase our levels of estrogen creating something called
estrogen dominance but high levels of estrogen are associated with anxiety so one thing clients
may want to do especially female clients but you know if you have a male who is feeling like
estrogen may be increasing too much I have them look at what they’re doing as far as lifestyle
factors to see if there’s anything that might be increasing their estrogen levels low levels of
estrogen are associated with depression because there’s not enough serotonin going around but also
because estrogen is a neuro stimulant and if it’s not there then there’s no stimulation so alright
so now looking at first we started implicating just neurotransmitters and going well if you don’t
have enough of this or too much of this then you might be depressed well now we’ve added to the
mix and said well guess what these imbalances over here in the neurotransmitters may be caused
by something completely different such as sex hormones progesterone is another sex hormone an
imbalance in the ratio with estrogen is implicated in mood disorders so progesterone kind of calms
down estrogen they’re yin & yang if you will kind of like GABA and glutamate it’s referred to as the
relaxation hormone the interesting thing here is synthetic progesterone which is present in a lot
of birth control is associated with depression whereas naturally occurring progesterone levels
haven’t had that same associate association drawn in the research literature so another thing to
look at with our female clients is possibly to ask them have they and if they’re presenting with
depressive symptoms have they changed their birth control regimen or have they recently gotten
pregnant or had a baby or stopped nursing and that was one I learned you know when I stopped
nursing my first child was your body actually maintains different levels of hormones and makes
sense maintains different levels of hormones when you’re nursing so you’re producing milk and stuff
and then when you stop nursing there’s a whole different hormonal cascade that happens so there
are multiple different times that estrogen can change and progesterone levels can change ganado
trope ins hormones synthesized and released by the anterior pituitary promote the production of
sex hormones so remember earlier I said that when we’re under stress our body releases cortisol
and cortisol tells our body you know what we don’t need to produce those sex hormones right now
so let’s connect it all if you’re under a lot of stress you may not be producing enough estrogen
which is why a lot of women when they’re under a lot of stress tend to have more erratic cycles but
even in men when your sex hormones are not being produced because your body’s focused on fight
or flee it makes the availability of serotonin and norepinephrine and dopamine less available
so chronic stress can alter the availability of sex hormones which alter the availability of
neurotransmitters okay you wanted some good news we got some good news oxytocin is our bonding
hormone and they found that it can counteract cortisol and vice-versa it’s not just getting a
hug though so I mean hugs are great don’t get me wrong but a lot of research has indicated that
people who have companion animals and pet their companion animal it can be a horse it can be a
dog it can be a cat a bunny rabbit whatever it is that does it for you where you feel that
sensation of bonding 15 minutes of petting that animal raises oxytocin levels and which
counteracts cortisol sweet thyroid hormones yet a whole nother category so we’re moving off
of the sex hormones onto our thyroid you have two types of thyroid hormones thyroxine and
the other one that I can’t pronounce t4 and t3 t4 is broken down to make t3 they are always
in a balance they’re always in a ratio too much thyroid hormone which typically is t3 speeds
things up and too little slows things down so think about somebody who’s hypothyroid they have
symptoms of depression one of the things we want to rule out early on with our patients who present
with the pressive symptoms is thyroid problems the patients with too much thyroid hormone may
present with anxiety symptoms so again we want to look and say is there a physiological cause to
the neurotransmitter imbalance the pituitary gland hypothermic hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis
so this is the middle of that stress axis here the pituitary gland releases thyroid stimulating
hormones to get the thyroid to release t4 and t3 majority of the thyroid hormones produced by the
thyroid are t4 but t3 is the most usable form so it sends out t4 which is kind of you know it’s
just kind of there it’s not a real hard worker at all but along the way it gets converted to 3
t3 which is a workhorse this conversion is the critical element because a lot of times doctors
will test thyroid secreting hormone and t4 alone and they’ll say well you’re secreting enough and
there’s plenty of t4 to be broken down to t3 so I don’t know why you have hypothyroid symptoms but
the piece that they’re missing is they may not be we may not be adequately converting t4 to active
t3 so it’s important if you think you have thyroid issues going on to work with an endocrinologist
who’s going to do more than just a superficial test or if you go to a GP you have and they do
just a TS h t4 test comes back normal but you’re like no something’s not right there are more tests
that can be done to be more specific about what’s available because if we’ve got a client who goes
to the doctor and says doc you know I feel awful I can’t wake up I’ve got no energy they run these
tests they say well there’s nothing wrong with you that just disempowers the client the clients
going well nothing’s wrong with me I don’t know why I feel this way I have no hope for getting
better because I don’t know what’s wrong so I want to make sure that we educate them about all
the possible things that they might be able to look into I don’t dump all this on my clients at
first you know when I go through the assessment I start listening for things and then I encourage
them to get a full blood panel done and then we talk about all that when they come back and
then narrow it down to other things that they may want to look at further testing for if the
general assessment didn’t come back with anything overactive thyroid produces anxiety feelings of
nervousness butterflies heart racing trembling irritability and sleep difficulties under activity
depressive symptoms the other interesting thing and I don’t know what other word to use is
if it’s either overactive or underactive the person can have mood swings and have sleeping
difficulties so we don’t want to just say well you’re having mood swings it must be hyper
we don’t know so we want to look at maybe the thyroid gland is sputtering and giving a little
bit and then not enough and then a little bit and then not enough it’s just important for
them to understand what the thyroid hormone does other cognitive issues difficulties with
concentration short-term memory lapses and lack of interest and mental alertness are also common
in hypothyroid but they’re also common in a whole bunch of other things I mean most of these
sound like what the criteria for depression so we’re trying to sort through and figure out
what may be going on with that particular client hypothyroidism led to a significant decrease of
responsiveness of the serotonin system so again here’s something else if you don’t have enough
estrogen or if you don’t have enough thyroid the serotonin system may be implicated and we know
that serotonin insufficiency is implicated in generalized anxiety disorder so one of those
little paths to kind of be aware of optimal thyroid function may be necessary for optimal
response to antidepressants antidepressants mean the serotonin is still there but if estrogen
and thyroid are responsible for transporting it around and making sure it gets taken up in
the right places then if those two systems aren’t working no matter how much serotonin
is in the system of it’s not getting to the right places it’s not do the job hypothyroidism
generally increases enzyme activities and GABA levels now you may go well sweet we want more
gaba but we don’t too much gaba has too much of a depressive effect so the person may not be
motivated may feel apathetic about things they can’t get excited about anything so there is such
a thing as being too chill thyroid hormone plays a role in the output of dopamine the precursor to
norepinephrine our motivation chemical not enough thyroid hormone not enough excretion of dopamine
not enough get up and go and norepinephrine has also insufficient norepinephrine has also
been implicated in depression so you know serotonin is not even in there we’re talking
about thyroid dopamine and norepinephrine stress hormones so we’ve moved on cortisol
it’s released from that HPA axis cortisol triggers a decrease in leptin and an increase in
gralen which increases appetite and food intake cortisol is telling you there is a threat we
need energy we need to mobilize the sugars because it’s a glucocorticoid but we also need to
get more sugars in here so we have energy for the fight-or-flight as long as it goes on which is why
a lot of people who are chronically stressed also feel like they’re chronically hungry they’re just
like I’m famished all the time and it may not be that their body needs all that energy all those
calories right now their body may be hoarding it because they think they’re going to have to it’s
gonna have to fight or flight flee for a long time cortisol also affects the endocrine system
including thyroids insulin regulating blood sugar and your sex hormones all right well that’s not
good so when people are stressed they maintain higher levels of cortisol when they maintain
higher levels of cortisol basically every bodily system and all the neurotransmitters are impacted
adrenaline is another stress hormone you know we think about it when somebody gets really upset or
excited or whatever they have a rush of adrenaline alright sigh Roxon is also released from the
kidneys and are from the thyroid and helps you get fatty acids which are long term long term
energy fat has nine calories per gram sugar has four calories per gram so fat is a much denser
source of energy effective chronically elevated cortisol includes impaired cognitive performance
you’re not thinking as well dampen thyroid function yep eventually the body goes there’s no
point the stress is not going to go away there’s no point in continuing to fight so I’m going to
turn down the sensitivity of the symptom blood sugar imbalances sleep disruption elevated blood
pressure lowered immune function and increased abdominal fat so if a client starts talking about
how they’re stressed they’re hungry all the time and they keep suddenly gaining all this weight
in their belly we might start looking at chronic stress and interventions that we might use for
chronic stress including mindfulness meditation exercise you know anything that we can throw
their way in addition to having them get a full physical to make sure there’s nothing else going
on like you know actual hyper hypothyroid caused by a physiological problem low levels of cortisol
brain fog cloudy headedness mild depression low thyroid function again blood sugar imbalances
such as hypoglycemia and remember when you’ve got blood sugar imbalances and not enough sugar
then your body cannot produce enough gaba which means you’re not going to have enough naturally
relaxing chemicals fatigue especially morning and mid-afternoon sleep disruption low blood pressure
lowered immune function and inflammation so these are all things that we can produce to work
our clients to say cortisol it’s not public enemy number one but it’s pretty close to it so
let’s look at how your cortisol levels how you’re sustained chronic stress might be impacting
your mood your health and your sleep and think about different ways we can reduce that because
that’s more tangible and cortisol is measurable obviously the doctor has to do that but it is
measurable in general when we feel emotions a stimulus is received by our peripheral peripheral
nervous system the brain responds by triggering the amygdala which is our emotion center and
the hypothalamus assesses if you will the need for fight or flee it goes there’s a threat or
there’s no emotional memory that helps the brain determine the types of neurochemicals to secrete
and in what amounts if the hypothalamus goes yeah no big deal then you’re going to have more
inhibitory neurotransmitters then if you have your hypothalamus going that’s a problem what we need
to look at and this adds another layer is when there is too much of a chemical or hypersensitive
receptors so hypersensitive receptors are like the person that you know that jumps when you tap them
on the shoulder somebody who’s hyper vigilant when they are activated they go from 0 to 100 and
it’s just like in sensitive receptors on the other hand when they’re activated they may not do
anything at all so you may have enough chemical in the system but if the receptors are not receptive
then the chemical can’t do its job so if serotonin is sitting outside the receptors door just kind
of knocking on it going let me in and that door never gets opened then it doesn’t matter how much
serotonin is sitting in the synapse it’s not going to do any good so as I said before all every
time I talk about too much and too little it’s always relative to the proportions of the other
hormones and neurotransmitters for that person anxiety irritability and anger our fight-or-flight
response can be caused by dot dot dot too little serotonin where you have anxiety coming
on because serotonin is not there to help the person calm too little GABA again not enough
calming too much norepinephrine too much estrogen too much testosterone or too much thyroid so
any of these too much is going to cause one symptom either anxiety or irritability or anger
and too little will probably produce something more on the depressive continuum now happiness and
excitements an interesting one because happiness and excitement are excitatory neurotransmitters
they’re going to get your heart rate going they’re gonna get your blood blood flowing they’re gonna
get your breathing a little bit faster think about Christmas Christmas morning when you run down the
stairs in order to see what’s under the Christmas tree or something else that is really exciting
your body is secreting dopamine norepinephrine glutamate and maybe a little bit of serotonin
in there but these are the same chemicals that are going out during a stress response it’s how
the amygdala processes everything so we still need these excitatory neurotransmitters we can’t
just shut them down and go well that’s causing too much problem let’s turn it down well if we turn it
down we’re also turning down the body’s ability to Spahn to happy stimuli and like I said depression
can be caused by serotonin insufficiency or excess and why is it excess when you have too much
serotonin or too little serotonin you can have high levels of anxiety they found and high
levels and anxiety trigger the stress response system after a certain period of time the stress
response system goes you know what I can’t stay this hyped up for this long I’ve got to turn down
my sensitivity I’ve just got a you know let it all go which starts leading to feelings of apathy and
depression it can be caused by nor norepinephrine insufficiency dopamine insufficiency thyroid
insufficiency or gain too much or too little estrogen the good thing is I Roy dand sex
hormones can be measured so we can easily or somewhat easily help the person rule those in
and/or rule those out as can cortisol so if they have chronically elevated or chronically low
levels of cortisol they’re going to have some mood symptoms but we can figure out that that’s
going on and we can help educate the patient to why they’re having the symptoms they are it’s
not all in their head the New England Journal of Medicine on major depression said numerous
studies of norepinephrine and serotonin in plasma urine and cerebrospinal fluid as well as
post mortem Studies on the brains of patients with depression so we’re talking about humans
not just rats studies have yet to identify the purported deficiency reliably so while we’re
talking about depression being caused by if you will norepinephrine or serotonin deficiency
there’s no real research that can reliably say yes this is it 100% of the time or even 95% of the
time it’s more like yeah 15 percent of the time so yes deficiencies in norepinephrine and and or
serotonin does cause depression in some people but that is a small subset and they found that there
are 20 or 30 small subsets of different causative factors estrogen and progesterone modulates sleep
and too much estrogen can cause insomnia so again if you have too much estrogen well you may have
plenty of serotonin going on you also may not be able to sleep sleep deficiency promotes elevated
cortisol and further disrupts our feeding hormones now for cortisol is elevated we’re not going
to get good restful sleep sleep deficiency is related to a 30% reduction in thyroid hormone
levels so again remember that the body finally after chronic stress will start turning down
the thyroid it’s just like there’s no need to exert any more effort because this is a losing
proposition with sleep deficiency the thyroid hormone levels go down cortisol levels go up
which is your stress chemical so everything’s starting to get out of whack when people eat
serotonin suppresses appetite and increases with feeding so as we eat our serotonin levels go
up especially for eating carbohydrate-rich foods but anytime we’re eating so if there’s not enough
serotonin people’s appetite suppression may be off but that’s also one of the reasons that people eat
for comfort is because serotonin helps them feel a little bit better so when they’re eating serotonin
goes up dopamine is associated with safety ATP handy which is great but if you don’t have enough
dopamine then you may never feel satisfied as we talked about before cortisol increases appetite
and neurons involved in the regulation of feeding are located in the hypothalamus so when you’ve
got that hypothalamus pituitary adrenal axis all activated all the time the HPA axis you’re
feeding is going to be probably way up here because the hypothalamus is going there’s a threat
we need food we need we need energy and all of these chemicals are involved in stress response
stimulants stimulants set off the stress response system by causing the body to kind of dump if
you will sigh roid hormones stress hormones and suppress sex hormones you know that HPA axis it’s
activated excitatory neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine gets secreted so if you’ve got
a lot of pleasure reward focus and concentration going on and you’re just like woohoo yeah you’re
probably gonna want to do that again but when that wears off when stimulants wear off they wear
off a whole lot faster than what our normal neuro chemicals would normally do so when they wear off
there’s a sudden lack of stimulation pleasure and reward and there’s an excess of gaba and other
other neurochemicals when people drink alcohol initially gaba goes way up when they drink the
alcohol and they feel relaxed and disinhibited and all that kind of stuff the alcohol wears off and
all of a sudden in proportion to everything else there’s way not enough gaba so anxiety goes way up
so what we want to remember is when we’re taking substances or engaging it well taking substances
specifically they are going to impact and wear off in a much different rate than what would happen
from our body normally excreting or causing those neurochemicals to be excreted depressant
increase gaba and may increase serotonin so they found that alcohol may increase serotonin it also
increases gaba but again when it wears off you got a problem what there are other depressants out
there besides alcohol though so it’s important to know what are your clients taking what are they
using recreationally not to be judgmental you know if you have a couple drinks in the evening it is
what it is what other things are you taking are you using including looking herbs like valerian
Valerians are pretty powerful depressant so it’s important to know what what they’re taking so
they know what impact is having on their body there are a variety of neurotransmitters that
are implicated in moods sex stress and thyroid hormones among others modulate the secretion and
absorption that is modulate the availability of these neurotransmitters so if there’s a lack
or an insufficiency proportionally speaking of norepinephrine what we want to ask is not how do
we increase it but what’s causing it why is there an imbalance in norepinephrine in this particular
patient dysphoria is about having an imbalance not necessarily too much or too little you may have
too much X in relation to Y too much glutamate in relation to GABA so talking with your clients
if they start taking medications talk with them about how they feel and whether it’s getting worse
you’re getting better to help understand you know are we targeting the right things here sleep
deprivation directly contributes alterations in hormone and neurotransmitter levels and
excessive eating may be caused by high cortisol levels because the brain thinks it needs to store
energy for the long fight sex hormones impact the availability of serotonin but oxytocin has been
shown to inhibit cortisol so pet a dog get a hug do something to promote bonding it will help
with stress levels dysphoric moods are caused by a neurotransmitter imbalance but what causes
that imbalance in each person berries greatly and they found it even berries greatly among
people with PTSD so just like depression PTSD does not have one simple cause a cascade effect
can happen when any one of these systems goes offline so if the thyroid system goes offline has
a dysfunction for some reason it may negatively impact all the other symptoms because it’s
going to change the balance and the ratios of all the other hormones and chemicals involved
in those feedback loops so final thoughts chronic stress impairs sleep which causes imbalances
and hormones and neurotransmitters involved in eating sleeping mood attention motivation
and sex disruptions in nutrition can fail to provide the building blocks for the hormones and
neurotransmitters so it could be something as simple as you know eating junk food every day
sleep impairment is associated with decreases in thyroid hormones and increases in cortisol and
dysregulation of eating so if somebody’s hungry all the time but they’ve got a low mood and you
know they present with depressive symptoms we may want to look at what’s going on and could
it is a factor contributing to this is sleep um but any of these things could also contribute
to problems with sleep estrogen and testosterone, imbalances can cause depression or anxiety like
symptoms and thyroid hormone imbalances can also cause depression and anxiety-like symptoms so the
the take-home message is this stuff is stinkin complicated but what we know is everything
is intimately interconnected so we don’t want to just start by saying well it sounds like
you’ve got this and try to pigeonhole everybody into one particular causation we need to
understand what’s going on with them and since we can’t measure brain neurochemicals to figure
out exactly which one’s out of whack that’s where the part art comes into psychology as part art
and part science okay so are there any questions you I think you’re all probably feeling like me when
after I wrote this I worked on research for about 20 hours and I was all but drooling at myself
by the end I was like really I tackled a pretty deep subject for an hour and you may need to
go back and look at the presentation to kind of make all the connections and connect the
dots as it applies to your clients but let’s see thinking about autism symptoms and these
issues and body functions and hormones yeah I mean certainly autism is correlated and I’m
pretty ignorant as to the neurophysiology of autism but I would think that there’s a strong
correlation with the neurotransmitters so I would look at other systems to see if there are
something that’s going offline that may be contributing to the neuro neurotransmitter
imbalance when symptoms are exacerbated which makes me think you know again
I don’t know as much I don’t know much about autism but when a client begins
stemming I’m wondering if those impulsive behaviors mean there’s high
levels of anxiety at that point so I’m wondering what’s happening with the stress
response system in the GABA feedback loop I would love after you guys kind of
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This episode was pre-recorded as part of a live continuing education webinar on demand. Ceus are still available for this presentation through all CEUs registered at all, CEUs comm slash counselor toolbox. I’d like to welcome everybody to group therapy, which is a product of treatment improvement. Protocol 41. Today we’re going to be going over chapters 1 and 2 tips 41. They did make it into an in-service, which is what I loosely based. The next set of presentations on and we’re, going to talk about some of the different ways you can use group and make it beneficial and hopefully easier than some other ways of approaching treatment. So, in the first part of today’s presentation, the goal is to provide an overview of group therapy which is used in substance, abuse, and mental health treatment, and, as I said, I’m, loosely basing it on it, but a lot of times the groups That we’re doing in substance abuse are the same ones. We’re doing in mental health. We’re going to discuss the uses of group therapy in treatment, define five therapy models, explain the advantages of group therapy and modify group therapy to treat and address substance abuse issues. So group therapy is awesome because it supports members in times of pain and trouble. It’s something that we can make available to the community mental health center that I worked at before and if you’ve worked in community mental health or even private mental health. Maybe a lot of times. There are waiting lists to get into IOP to get into PHP to get into residential to get into detox. So one of the things that we started instituting was an intervention-level psycho-educational group, so we were able to sort of keep a tab on people who are on our waiting list. They got on the waiting list and they started coming to these groups that provided them with tools provided them skills. We weren’t treating any particular issue. We were focusing more on life skills, distress, tolerance, emotion, regulation, and all that other DPP kind of stuff. Helping them get through, was also enabling us to provide them with some hope and keep their motivation going. Group therapy can enrich members with insight and guidance. I found, and one of the reasons I love doing group so much is because you can ask a question to a group of 10 people and get 8 or 10 different answers to it, and the cool thing about that is that each person has their blind spots, so what they might not have thought about before might still be germane to them, and somebody else puts it out there. So when you start putting asking questions and putting the answers on the board or using the flip chart papers and having stations around the room that people go and contribute to the group process, you start getting a lot more feedback from individuals and they’re going To come up with ideas and suggestions and thoughts that not only each other had never had so they’re going to enrich each other’s lives, but they teach me something every single time. So I loved doing and still do love doing group and it’s. A natural ally with addiction, treatment or treatment in general group therapy enables us to provide a basic framework of information to people in a cost, effective manner. You know there are a lot of things like emotion, regulation, distress, tolerance, self, esteem, skills, effective interpersonal communication relationship skills, and self-esteem. I may have already said that we give to all of our clients whether it’s substance, abuse or mental health, and everybody who’s coming through the program. Has this curriculum? If you will go through now, it’s going to apply a little bit differently to each one and they’re going to take the stuff they get from those groups and they’re going to be able to take it back to their Therapists and say this is what I learned in group. If it is just a group process, then they’re going to be able to talk among each other and come up with their ideas, but IOP, PHP, and residential all have individual accounts. One component, if you’re doing an intervention level group 0 05 on the ACM. If you will, you may not have that individual therapy component. So you want to make sure that when you provide members with information – and you help them start gaining insight you tie it up in a nice little bow at the end and help them apply it. So what did you get out of today?’s group that could have been helpful last week and how could you have used it then go back around the room and say from whatever you got from today:’s group or what’s a morsel you got from today,’s, group that You’re going to use next week, and how do you expect to do that? So I encourage them to take one or two morsels and figure out how they can use that in their particular life. A little bit of a slide track here. In support groups, if somebody is going to celebrate recovery or 12 step group, or even a depression or anxiety management group, I encourage them when they walk out of the group to be able to answer the question. What was in that group for me? What can I take away from that now? It may be, I know what I don’t want to do, or it may be. That was a great idea that so and so had, but I want them to answer that question every time, not just walk out of a group and go well. That was a good group. Why? Why was it a good group? What did you get out of it? Group therapy, as opposed to self-help groups and support groups, if you will have trained leaders, so you do have a lot more ability to facilitate what’s going on and kind of point people in directions that you want them to go. Where support groups may have facilitators, but they don’t have the training that clinicians do and group therapy produces healing and recovery from substance abuse and mental health issues. You see a lot of people gain. Hope you see a lot of people gain optimism. You see a lot of people learn tools from one another and nobody can comic con. If you will – and I had to figure out a way to say that a little bit nicer than the way I usually do. But when people are in recovery and you can even think about it with your teenagers, if you’ve been around known more if you have them, teenagers hear what their parents say and they’re like yeah, okay, whatever old, fuddy-duddy, but when their Parents or when their peers say it, it carries a lot more weight, so sometimes the hope and faith and tools and stuff that they hear from their cohort has more impact than what we say. If we’ve created a good supportive, healthy, nurturing environment, group therapy has a lot of power to it because it’s basically like having a bunch of code therapists and the ability to control it a little bit more than in group therapy. You can address factors associated with addiction or these factors by themselves, such as depression, anxiety, anger, shame, temporary cognitive impairment, character, pathology, ie, personality disorders, medication management, and pain management. So let’s go through these a little bit. Depression groups are wonderful. Now we’re going to talk about different types of groups and there’s everything from the traditional therapy group where people are sitting in a circle and or however, usually in a circle and sharing what’s going on in their particular situation. To psycho-educational and skills groups, where we’re, providing them the tools to understand what’s going on and the tools to deal with what they’re experiencing, and you know with depression. One of the groups I’m, going to do is depression. Well, any of these is to talk about what is it. What causes it? Where did it come from? How is it impacting you to have people start figuring out what that means to them, then we’re going to start talking, probably in the next group, about what are some ways we can start addressing this and what has worked for you. What what has worked in the past and what things might you want to do? Try? Temporary cognitive impairment can be addressed in the group in the sense that we can provide some life skills coaching. We can provide for early recovery and substance abuse. For example, a lot of people come to our groups, or at least where I used to work. They would get out of detox and they weren’t fully detoxed. Yet they had two days under them and the drug was out of their system. For the most part, you know, except for like marijuana or benzos, but they were still not on their game so getting them to just get there on time, be prepared, pay attention, and process what’s going on was huge. We didn’t expect to make huge therapeutic gains, but what I wanted was somebody to be able to dress up and show up. If you will character, pathology can be addressed in groups, one of the basic reasons that Marsha Linehan created dialectically. Behavior therapy was to address borderline personality disorder and DBT is very strong in skills groups. Now it has individual components and coaching components as well, but she uses the skills groups to help people with character, pathologies, and borderline personality disorder, among other things, start learning about what are these symptoms. What do they mean? What does it look like and how can I deal with them and then they personalize it in their sessions? Medication management is huge for me, whether it’s, somebody who’s on antidepressants or somebody who’s on methadone. I don’t care, but I think it’s really important for people when they start taking medication, especially psychotropic medication, whether it’s, addiction or mental depression, or anxiety to be able to go into a group and talk with others who’ve Been on similar medications understand the side effects understand that gets better understand what they’ve done, that helped them deal with the side effects. For example, a lot of my clients used to be on Seroquel and Seroquel is extremely sedating, so a lot of them found that they needed to take it at night. But I had a small group of people who, when they took it at night, you know they would go to sleep at like 11, 00 get up at 6 30 and they were still groggy. As I’ll get out from the Seroquel and among themselves, they started talking about okay, so I need to take it at 7, 00 every night for it to be out of my system. So I can function the next morning they worked it out by talking about how long before it starts sedating you and how long the sedating effects last, but it helped clients stay more compliant with their medication because a lot of times and not knock Psychiatrists or doctors, but the ones that I’ve had experience with. For the most part, I’ve had a couple of awesome: attendings they don’t have the patients they don’t have time in their schedule to hear all of the issues and help the client brainstorm, and a lot of times they don’t think to share with the patient. These are the most common side effects that people tell me they experience. Yes, they get the handout from the pharmacist. There are like six pages, long and in eight-point font of all the potential side effects. But what do people feel like when they start taking it? This Zoloft is another one. You know that’s, what one is commonly prescribed and a lot of patients feel kind of like they’ve got the flu. They feel dizzy for the first two-to-three days and then that wears off, if they understand that, if they have a place where they can go and talk about the side effects and talk about how to deal with some of the side effects, it helps. And this is also a place where they can talk about things like weight, gain and fatigue, and lethargy. And how do you deal with this when you’re on this Giller medication, it doesn’t have to be facilitated by a nurse or a doctor. That’s more helpful if it’s facilitated by a clinician. What we want to do is encourage patients to become aware of what their potential obstacles are to be maintained to remain med, compliant, and identify some ways to address them. Some intervention that might be effective and then go talk to their doctor, so they are armed with knowledge when they go see their psychiatrist and say I’m having these problems, it also gives them a chance to talk to other people and understand what it looks like if the medication is working for them and gives them hope if they have to change two three four times to find the right medication, so medication management obviously, is a group that I think is important. If you’ve got clients that are medicated on pain, management,’s, pain can cause depression and anxiety. Your body perceives pain as a stressor, so anybody who has pain may experience negative affect, especially if it goes on for a while, so helping them figure out ways to deal with the pain and ways to deal with breakthrough pain. If you’re dealing with somebody who’s in recovery, then you’re also dealing with the issue of pain management without narcotics, so pain management groups can help teach stress management skills, progressive muscular relaxation, and sharing nonpharmacological interventions that they can discuss with their doctor, such as massage physical therapy, acupuncture yay, it also is a place that people get hope again. This is going to keep coming up with group therapy hope because they hear other people’s stories and yeah. I hear that after John’s accident, he was in agony for six months and he was able to get through it, so they can share and support one another. Another group provides positive peer support for abstinence from substances or addictive behaviors. Remember we want to check our clients, and assess our clients to make sure they’re, not engaging in addictive behaviors like internet gaming, pornography, gambling, food-ish food, and eating addiction. Anything like that, but it also provides positive peer support for positive action in any direction. So if it’s growth goals, if it’s depression goals, the group is there to cheer you on. They’re also there to notice when you’re starting to lose your motivation and point it out and help you increase that motivation groups reduce isolation. So if you’re dealing with someone who’s got empty nest syndrome, someone who’s got depression, someone who’s got it up an addiction. It helps them understand that they’re, not the only one dealing with that and they can share and support, enabling the members to witness the recovery or transformation of their fellow group members and see how other people deal with similar problems, because we all I mean There’s what twelve people in class today. So if I throw out any problem, I’m probably going to get at least eight or nine different suggestions for how to deal with it and that’s cool, but that’s. The awesome part about group two because they can share. What do you do when you can’t get to sleep at night? What do you do when the anxiety is so oppressive that you feel like you can’t breathe, rich, and provide information to clients who are new to the recovery process? So they know what to expect they’re not going to be giddy as all get out. Twenty-four hours, seven days a week, 365 days a year, probably ever that’s not reality, but it helps them learn what the recovery trajectory looks like helps. They accept the fact that they’re going to be bad days and it helps them see how they can be empowered in the process. It provides feedback on group members, values, and abilities. They’re going to hone in on their values, and you know I encourage them in my groups and obviously from a multicultural perspective. I think it’s vital that we encourage members to explore their values and accept or reject them as they are and do not meet them. For me to say whether your values are right or wrong, I want you to know what your values are and make sure that they’re. Yours, not something that came from the media or something that just kind of popped into your head. You don’t know where it came from that you, don’t agree with, and sometimes that will come up, especially as it pertains to medication, use or controlled drinking, or anything like that. But it also provides feedback on their abilities, and this is where I focus more than values. What is it that you have done already? What are your strengths if you went three hours yesterday without being depressed and crying that is awesome? What did you do? How did you do it? How are you able to do that, I want to highlight that ability, so we can build on it. We want to highlight the exceptions to the problems and offer the sort of family-like experience where people get a sense of belonging and support when groups are run well, even if their skills are psycho-educational groups when a group member leaves drops out relapses, whatever happens, They just if they suddenly leave. It affects the entire group. When you’ve got a well-run group and a group member graduates or completes treatment, there’s still a whole process and sort of a grieving process, as that person leaves the family and launches out of the nest. Whatever you want to say, we the way I’ve always run groups and what the way I was taught was. We always celebrate that at the end of somebody,’s treatment, or experience after the last group that that person attends we have a little bit of a little pizza party or something to celebrate. Let people say their goodbyes and have a good sense of closure. A lot of our clients did not have good family experiences, so we want them to have the experience of being supported, being able to have different opinions and disagree with others, but being respected and being able to care about groups encouraged coach support and reinforce What they’re doing? Well, we don’t have to focus on what they’re doing wrong. You know, we can talk about that. An individual – or you know it may become germane to the group, but what we want to do is reinforce what they’re doing. Right from a management perspective groups allows a single treatment professional to help several clients. At the same time, as I said, there are a core set of groups – educational modules, if you will that, I think all clients need to be exposed to so group is a great way to do it instead of saying the same thing six times a day to Each one of your clients having a group available with the advent of media and Internet, just like we’re doing right now. Web chat web groups. You can do some skills-based groups, you know if they’re, not treatment. You don’t have as many issues with confidentiality, but you can also have videos online that you have them watch, learn from complete a worksheet and then come and participate in a one-hour group, instead of maybe having to sit through the whole lesson, which is An hour or so and then participate in the group, so there are a lot of different things that you can do using group techniques to reach a bunch of people in with one treatment provider. In the same hour. Groups add needed structure and discipline because, generally the group leader has a certain goal for the group or has a certain style of managing the group, so it can help sort of add a rhythm. If you will to the group process. Now we’re talking about traditional therapy groups. You’re going to be sort of like the parent that controls the rhythm of the family. If you’re talking skills or psycho, read groups, you’re going to be setting more of a tone like a teacher and creating a learning experience, but it adds structure, so people feel safe. They know what they can share, what they’re. What’s too much sharing or what’s inappropriate sharing and it helps people also learn to bite their tongue, wait their turn all those other things that can be helpful in life. They instill hope in a sense that, if that person can make it so can I so they see people doing a little bit better yeah. They also see some people doing a little bit worse, sometimes, but that’s an opportunity for them to be able to reach out and provide support, and that helps the person providing support as much as it helps the person receiving it. I truly believe that most people get a sense of contentment if you will, by being able and being able to reach out and help someone that they are concerned about, it provides support and encouragement to one another outside the group setting now this gets a little dicey Depending on your groups and your agency philosophy in reality, in substance abuse groups, the people that are in your group are probably going to be going to the same support group meetings so telling them not to ever contact each other outside of the group is unrealistic. They’re going to see each other in the community, so it’s important to help them understand how to set boundaries and what’s? Okay, behavior, and what’s? Not okay, behavior between group members, other groups, other facilities are less stringent on that and encourage the clients to reach out to one another outside of the group setting. So, depending on the group, the issue, your agency, all that kind of stuff there’s going to be more or less sharing. What I want to see, especially, is, if you have, for example, in IOPS three hours here and have three groups with breaks. I want to see people talking outside a group. I want to see people sharing, not just all sitting in there going when do we get out of here? I want them to develop relationships and learn how to effectively communicate so group therapy is not individual therapy done with an audience. It is not a mutual support group. It’s designed to help people develop and practice knowledge and skills in a microcosm. You’re, creating a mini family or a mini-community. It aids patients in learning how to develop healthy, supportive relationships and also how to terminate relationships, because sometimes when people graduate they move on it, which doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re going to continue to interact with the clients in the group. Alright. So the second half of this class, we’re, going to look at the group therapy models used in treatment, explain the stages of change, and discuss three specialized group therapy modules that may be used for the stages of change. I’ve gone over this before for new people. I’ll go over it again, real quick think about getting into a pool in the summer. It’s hot it’s like 90 degrees. You are sweating bullets, pre-contemplation, and you’re still laying on the lawn chair going. I ain’t hot. Yet no, I’m not anywhere near hot enough to go near that pool contemplation you’re starting to get hot and sweaty, and you’re looking at the pool going. You know that might be a nice change in preparation. You move to the side of the pool and you’re dangling your feet in the water trying to figure out. If you’re ready to take the plunge because it’s cold, I mean compared to the 90 92 5 degrees C is outside and you know your 98 6 body temperature water is cold, so you’re preparing action is when you jump in you. ‘re, like I, can’t take it anymore. I’m too hot to jump in the pool. Now, if that pool is too cold, if it’s too painful to stay in there because you’re just like a ho ho, you may jump back out again and back into preparation or further back. If you get in there and get moving – and you know, get your body temperature back up that’s – sort of basically like treatment – and you’re getting the swing of things, then you just want to maintain. So you don’t get cold again and recurrence is when you get out you get hot again and go through this process again so pre-contemplation, I ain’t got a problem. Contemplation yeah, I’m a little uncomfortable, but I’m not ready to do anything yet preparation. I’m starting to get ready to make a change because this is uncomfortable, but I’m not very it action I’m on it, and maintenance is keeping your gains and maintaining a steady state, so variable factors for groups, the group leader group or Leader of focus, so if you’re focusing on a part of it, is your training. You know if you are more Rogerian client-centered in your training versus cognitive, behavioral versus DBT versus AC T, whatever your theoretical underpinnings are and what you choose to focus on. In that particular group, there’s a lot of stuff. We can focus on whether it’s cognitive, physical, or emotional. We want to another thing that affects it is the specificity of the group agenda. If you’re going to have a group and it’s on self-esteem, well that’s not specific, so we could go sixteen different ways till Sunday if you’re looking at self-esteem and disarming the internal critic. Now that’s much more specific for that group, so that’s going to affect what that group looks like for that session or that says sessions how similar or different your group members are. If they have a lot of different experiences, you’re going to have a different experience as a group leader. Then, if you have a lot of people who have the same experiences, open, ended or determinant duration of treatment, if you’ve got a group that somebody can join and if they want to stay for 104 weeks, they can stay for 104 weeks. That’s up to them versus a group that is 16 weeks long that’s also going to affect how your group goes. What do you cover, how connected do group members become? I use 104 weeks just to sort of overemphasize. I hope nobody stays in the group for 104 weeks, but the level of leader activity is. I have seen groups where its leaders will throw out a discussion and are like okay topic for today is what do you think about it, and let the group facilitator with a little bit of nudging here and there versus other groups where the leader is very involved In goes around goes okay, Sam.What do you think about this sally? What do you think about it and that affect how people react and what they expect it? Doesn’t necessarily affect what they get out of it, but these are variables that could affect how someone meshes with the group. Not everybody is going to like a real open, ended, a loosey-goosey group I don’t. You know I’m structured. So I prefer to be in groups where I know what the agenda is, and what we’re going to do. In my groups, start with a review from the last group that’s the first five minutes, and check in with everybody. Next, in five minutes we do a 15 to 20-minute psycho, ed piece, and then the last. You know 30 minutes of group. I spend going around the room and having people tell me, what is it that you got out of this? What do you think you could use this next week etc and apply it to what they know that’s how my groups go, so they’re, really very structured. You’ve got to be able to drop back and punt. If a client is in crisis or something strikes a nerve with them, you know you might have to change up a little bit. But overall you’re sort of setting the tone for what’s going to happen in the group, the duration of treatment, and the length of each session. You’re going to cover a lot more in a 3 hour of IOP session. That and treatment is five days. A week for 12 weeks, then you’re going to cover in a treatment program that’s one hour a week for eight weeks, just knowing what you’re going to try to cover will affect the depth or the breadth of what you go through. The arrangement of the room also affects how the people interact. If you have them set up in theatre, style, or classroom style. People interact differently than if they’re all sitting around in a circle, and if you ever want to experiment with that, it is interesting to notice how much differently people interact and how much more they seem to participate when they’re sitting sort of in A circle versus when they’re in theater style and I feel like they can hide and the characteristics of the individuals. Sometimes you’re, going to have people who are enthusiastic and chatting. Sometimes you’re going to have people who are not, and it could be for a whole host of reasons. It could be a bad fit, it could be their involuntary, or it could be they just got out of detox. It could be that they’re. All are just at that level of clinical depression that they’re having a hard time staying with the group and it’s up to us to adjust to try to meet the needs of as many people in a group as possible. Now, while I’m saying this, they didn’t say to size of the group. Here, the recommended size of the group is 8 to 12 people. If you’re dealing with adolescents or people with severe and assistant Mental Illness, it’s more along the lines of 812. For your average group 15 for psycho-educational and skills groups any more than 15. You’re doing a class and not a group. Psycho-egg groups assist individuals in every stage of change, pre-contemplation contemplation, yay. It helps clients, learn about their disorders, their treatment or intervention options, and other resources that might be available to them, such as assistance with prescriptions or physical therapy, or whatever other wraparound services. We often call it might be available. They can also be used to provide family members with an understanding of the person in recovery, so family egg groups can be awesome because then you get to understand and hear what the family thinks is going on and expects is going to happen in treatment and What they’re seeing and hearing, and you can normalize for them what’s going on with the client, so somebody recovering from clinical depression or somebody with bipolar disorder. You know this is what recovery looks like this is what living with the disorder looks like. This is what being on this medication looks like, I, ‘ve had a lot of patients because I deal with mainly co-occurring. I’ve had a lot of patients who have bipolar disorder, and you know some sort of substance abuse issue. They start taking. Seroquel, because that seemed to be the drug of choice for our prescribing at that particular time and they would start acting all groggy and family would freak out going you’re using again, and so Family Education groups were a great time for us to educate. Not only about the disorder but also about treatment, medication, side effects, and how to interact with the loved one to be as most supportive as possible. So ad groups educate about a disorder or teach a skill or tool and work to engage the clients in the discussion. I don’t want to stand up there in the lecture. I want them to be able to throw out ideas. So if I say you know what is it that you do when you’re struggling with somebody, because they just great on your every last nerve, what are some things you do to solve that problem or to deal with it? I don’t want to just tell them everything I want to do something more Socratic and encourage them to tell me how they work with it, and if they come up with something that’s, not quite on point. As far as being the most effective or healthiest approach, then we’ll talk about it and we’ll say well. I’m sure that’s worked for you. I’m wondering you know if there’s a kinder gentler way to do it, or you know you kind of massage it a little bit to morph it into something useful. We want to prompt clients to relate what they learn to their issues, including their disorders. You know how you, how this relates to your depression, but also your goals, your challenges, and your successes? Psycho-ed groups are highly structured and follow a manual or curriculum, and it doesn’t have to be a manualized curriculum that you buy from somewhere. You can create your curriculum, but you teach the same thing and it’s sequential and it follows a teach, apply practice method. So you teach a skill, you have them talk about how they would apply it, how that might apply to them, and then you have them practice it in role plays or imagine how they might use it. Next week, basic teaching skills are required for psycho-ed groups, though, which requires that you understand the basic components of learning, and I call these the three C’s capture, which is how you get the knowledge I mean you got to get it into your brain. Somehow I am a visual kinesthetic learner. I learned virtually nothing from sitting in lecture classes. I’m off in la la land in about 30 seconds. I know this about myself, so I need to have material that I and see, which is why I do powerpoints here some of y’all may not might not even be looking at the screen. You may be often doing something else and listening to me more power to you. However, you get the information in your brain is great. Global and sequential. Some people are global. They need the big picture when they’re doing a puzzle. They want to see the box first to do the frame and then fit all the pieces in sequential people. Don’t want the box that’s cheating they look for pieces and put them together and then try to figure out how all the pieces go together to make a hole and then their wall out as a whole. To appeal to both of those at the beginning of the group give an overview of what you’re going to cover in the group, and if you can sort of a written agenda it’s, not always practical. I always tried to put it up on the whiteboard. We always had issues with how many copies we were allowed to make and stuff. So in the interest of saving trees, try to give them some sort of an agenda, so they know what the progress is or what they can expect from group talk about it, so people can hear it and apply it through role plays having them apply it to themselves. Make them manipulate that information in their mind and provide visual representations like bullet points of what you’re going over. If you can’t, if copies again are an issue, have them bring a notebook and write on a whiteboard, so they can see it. So you’re presenting information in as many ways as possible. Conceptualization is relating the information to building blocks. So if you’re teaching a unit on cognitive distortions, then you’re going to talk about maybe using extreme words or nothing talk. So I might say tell me about a time that you’ve said something like you always do this and then what we’re going to talk about, how to change that and how you know. Thinking about things that way might be contributing to some of their distress and then caring. This is the biggest one which is again why I have clients when they leave a group, ask themselves: what could I get out of that? Why was that important to me if they’re not motivated to remember it, they’re not going to think back to high school biology or college humanities archaeology? 101. For me, I learned what I needed to learn for as long as I need to learn. It’s to pass the test, and then I forgot it all because I didn’t care about it, so we want them to care or they’re not going to remember so get it in their heads and help them relate it to something they know and make Them care about it, make them figure out why it’s important to them, foster an environment, to support participation, encourage participants to take responsibility for their learning, use a variety of learning methods that require sensory experiences, which means talking about it. You know talking about it listening to it and maybe drawing art therapy try to incorporate as many senses as possible. I always find that role plays are a big hit. You can also break up concepts and have to break up your group into smaller groups and have each of the smaller groups reteach a concept to make sure that they understand it and be mindful of cognitive impairments. So if you’ve got someone who is impaired in some way, make sure that you have some sort of method to ensure that that person is keeping up with the rest of the group. If it’s a diverse group skills development cultivates the necessary skills to prevent a relapse, depression, anxiety, and addiction and achieve an acceptable quality of life. Part of the skills groups assumes that the clients lack needed skills such as coping skills, interpersonal skills, and communication skills, hence the term skills group. So we want to allow clients to practice skills in groups. Psycho-ed groups provide the knowledge and, if you remember basic treatment, planning, and knowledge skills and abilities, so you know it, you learn how to use the skill and then the ability is a put those skills into practice. So we want them to be able to practice. These skills in a safe microcosm, you want to focus on skills, directly related to recovery and those to thrive in general. Think about Maslow’s hierarchy. They need to get those biological needs met, they need food, shelter, medication, pain management, health, safety and safety from themselves and love and belonging. So we want to help them make sure they’re getting those not just focusing specifically on depression or anxiety skills development groups have a limited number of sessions and a limited number of participants. So everybody can practice. We don’t want a big auditorium. We want that 8 to 15 number ideally, and there used to strengthen behavioral and cognitive resources. Skills groups focus on developing an information base on which decisions can be made and actions can be taken. So when they’re thinking when they practice the pause and they’re trying to decide okay, what is the best reaction to this current situation that’s when skills kick in and they’ve got a menu of skills to choose from cognitive, behavioral Groups, conceptualize dependence on substances as a learned, behavior that subjects to modifications through various interventions, which is a bunch of garbage garbled a for CBT groups, really look at using as a triggered behavior in response to pain. You want the pain to go away and your drug of choice does that. The same is true for self-injury or a variety of other symptoms that we see in our patients. So we want to look at what’s triggering those and how can we. What are they trying to meet? What need are they trying to meet with that behavior and how can we help them meet that? Otherwise, sorry, my nose is itchy today, work to change, my learned, behavior by changing my thinking, patterns, beliefs, and perceptions and include psychological elements like thoughts, beliefs, decisions, opinions, and assumptions. Cbt groups develop social networks that support abstinence, so the person with dependence becomes aware of behaviors that may lead to relapse and develop strategies to continue in recovery. Now that’s for addictions, groups for anxiety and depression, the same is true. We want them to have social networks with other people who experience the same diagnosis. If you will so, they can become aware of relapse. Warning signs when are starting to become impatient. They’re not sleeping as much, whatever their relapse warning signs are for their condition, disorder, whatever you want to call it, so they can develop. Strategies to stay, happy and healthy educational devices are used in CBT groups including worksheets role plays, and videos that encompass a variety of proof, and approaches that focus on changing the way we think and the behavior that flows from it. I cannot stand feeling this way can be changed too. I don’t like feeling this way, but I know it will change. In the next moment. Cbt techniques teach group members about self-destructive, behavior and thinking that lead to maladaptive behavior. We look at those unhelpful, cognitions and their effects of them. How does that impact you in your relationships? The way you perceive the world and your general sense of empowerment and happiness? They focus on problem-solving and short and long-term goal-setting which a lot of people don’t know how to do. Imagine how much better people and more empowered people feel when they figure out hey. I know how to do that. I know how to see a problem, develop a plan and solve the problem and they help clients, monitor feelings and behavior, particularly those associated with their diagnosis. Support groups are useful for apprehensive clients who are looking for a safe environment and they boast remembers efforts to develop and strengthen their ability to manage thinking and emotions and interpersonal skills support groups. Don’t have a trained facilitator necessarily, so they’re. Not necessarily. How do I want to say this? They’re only as effective as the effectiveness of the group leader and the health of the group leader, support groups, address pragmatic concerns, and generally improve members, self-esteem and self-confidence they’re. Often open-ended with changing members, encourage discussion about members, current situations, and recent problems. So we’re less focused on education and skill building and more focused on what’s going on with you today, and they provide peer feedback and require members are accountable to one. Other support groups vary with group goals and member needs and include facilitating desilting discussion among members while maintaining appropriate group boundaries, which can be a little difficult, especially with untrained if there are no trained facilitators there. These groups can help the group the whole group work through obstacles and conflicts. So if you’ve got people that are arguing within the group remember, this is a microcosm. This is a little family, whether it’s a support group or any other kind of group. These people meet every week and there are going to be conflicts, so we want to help people work through these and develop acceptance and regard for one another support groups ensure that interpersonal struggles among group members do not hinder group development. So if you’ve got a relationship budding between two people, not unheard of, or if you’ve, got a huge conflict, getting ready to happen between two people. You want to make sure that doesn’t interfere with the group process, so you may need to handle that outside of the group, or you know, figure out how to address it. Interpersonal process groups recognized conflicting forces in the mind, some of which may be outside of one’s. Awareness determines a person’s behavior, whether it’s helpful or unhelpful. So interpersonal process groups help people identify the developmental influences and other things that have gotten them to where they are, that influence, how they act and react the way they do currently, and bring a lot of stuff into awareness. Oh, that makes sense that I react that way because that’s how my mom used to react or when I did that when I was a kid I got in trouble for it whatever the case may be interpersonal process groups delve into major developmental issues. Searching for patterns that contribute to the problem or interfere with recovery abandonment issues is one that comes up a lot looking at the family of origin and their coping skills. We want to learn. What did you learn when you were growing up that is? You are using now and how effective is that for you, these groups use psycho dynamics or the way people function psychologically to promote change and healing and rely on the here-and-now interactions of members. So we’re focusing on all this stuff. That made you who you are and gave you the tools that you have right now, how’s that working for you? So there are multiple types of groups that are available to assist clients in achieving their goals. We view current coping skills as creative adaptations to what they’ve learned and ways to get their needs met. They may not be the healthiest coping skills, but they are serving a purpose. So we want to look at the way. Clients are coping acting interacting. Just look at their behaviors and ask ourselves what’s the benefit to that? What’s motivating is that, because we always choose the behavior. That seems – and I emphasize the word seems to have the most reward to it, based on reward and effort groups, help strengthen the healthy skills, but they also help point out some of the unhealthy ones, and again a lot of times it has more to it. If it comes from a peer, as opposed to, if it comes from a therapist skills required to facilitate groups, overlap significantly a lot of my psycho, groups are also kind of skills groups. I kind of do a psycho, ed skills blend when I do groups that are, my style though, and the group facilitator needs to figure out his or her style because you’re going to set the tone for your group. Not everybody is going to thrive in your group. Just like not everybody is going to mesh with you as an individual therapist, knowing your style and being confident is one of the first steps to having a really strong group experience. Types of groups include psychoeducational, which provides your knowledge, and classroom-type format. Skills development provides takes the information that knowledge and helps people translate it into skills. Okay. Now I know what an unhelpful thought or a cognitive distortion is. What do I do about it? Skills group is the: what do I do about it and let’s practice it. So when I have this thought, what can I do? Cognitive behavioral groups kind of integrate those but focus strongly on what’s going on with the individual and the thoughts if you think, of the ABCs, the automatic beliefs that may be perpetuating or maintaining the unpleasant consequences and support groups are those groups that Are not facilitated by a trained facilitator or by a clinical facilitator. In some groups like smart recovery, the facilitators are trained, but they’re, not necessarily clinicians and group members are accountable to one another more so than accountable to a group leader who starts the group by telling people what they’re going to learn and do and why it’s useful to them make them care, give them that global perspective of what’s going to happen and then go through the information step by step or sequentially. So all of your learners are getting as much as possible provide an overview of what you’re talking about have written material like I said, if copies are a big issue where you come from it’s, not unheard of, or if you just don’t like making lots of Xerox copies, write it on a whiteboard and encourage clients to bring a notebook and write it down. Clients will remember things better if they have to write them down because they’re going. To paraphrase it, which is a form of kinesthetic learning before they write it down most likely because they want to write down as little as possible, discuss the material and apply it ask for their input. How do you deal with this? What do you think about this option? How could you use this? How could you have used this last week and what do you think you might? How do you think you might use it next week and give me an example of what that would look like for you? Can also have them roleplay, maybe they’re having somebody in the group having a particular issue with a supervisor or roommate. You may choose to roleplay that in a group and have them apply a skill that you’re talking about. Have each group member close by identifying one thing they got at a group and how they are going to use it in their recovery plan. Again, it brings it back to caring, has the kind of tie it up into a neat bow, and is able to walk out with one tool. Yep give them two too many tools in one group and they’re going to walk out, and none of them are going to get used. You give them one tool and they walk out. They may try to use it throughout the week and then next week in the group, you can ask them how’d it go. If you enjoy this podcast, please like and subscribe either in your podcast player or on YouTube, you can attend and participate in our life. Webinars with doctor Snipes by subscribing at all CEUs comm, slash counselor toolbox. This episode has been brought to you in part by all CEUs com providing 24 7 multimedia, continuing education, and pre-certification; training to counselors therapists, and nurses, since 2006 use the coupon code consular toolbox to get a 20 discount off your order. This month,As found on YouTubeHi, My name is James Gordon 👻🗯 I’m going to share with you the system I used to permanently cure the depression that I struggled with for over 20 years. 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