{"id":7597,"date":"2015-07-26T15:45:39","date_gmt":"2015-07-26T15:45:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/twitchy.com\/2014\/10\/27\/ron-fourniers-latest-provocative-hypothetical-on-quarantines-involves-gun-seizures\/"},"modified":"2015-07-26T15:45:39","modified_gmt":"2015-07-26T15:45:39","slug":"ron-fourniers-provocative-hypothetical-on-quarantines-gunseizures","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/effectsofanxiety.net\/archives\/7597","title":{"rendered":"Ron Fournier’s ‘provocative hypothetical’ on quarantines? Gun seizures"},"content":{"rendered":"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/ChasFlemming\/status\/526888750186369024\n

National Journal reporter Ron Fournier has been doing a lot of chin scratching on the Ebola crisis lately, leading to some head scratching from his Twitter followers. Just yesterday, he tweeted a photo that seemed to equate the Ebola quarantine policies of Govs. Cuomo and Christie with World War II internment camps<\/a> (while overlooking quarantines in Illinois and Connecticut).<\/p>\n

Followers suggested a grip was in order, but instead, Fournier on Monday suggested that some “anti-government, pro-liberty” types wanted to “cavalierly” quarantine people.<\/p>\n

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Surprised so many anti-Gov't , pro-liberty folks here want Gov't to cavalierly confine people over #Ebola<\/a>. Takes a lot of trust in Gov't.<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> When it's a eyeball melting disease and it's just 21 days, then yes, yes we do.<\/p>\n

— Kathleen McKinley (@KatMcKinley) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Nothing cavalier about a disease that liquifies your organs.<\/p>\n

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@KatMcKinley<\/a> OK … I'd rather not start down that slippery slope<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> Medically we have long had quarantines where it's needed. It's 21 days, not a prison sentence. No slippery slope.<\/p>\n

— Kathleen McKinley (@KatMcKinley) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> I don't trust the govt with much, but keeping us safe from Ebola is one thing I have to trust them with.<\/p>\n

— Kathleen McKinley (@KatMcKinley) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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How about trusting state government over the feds?<\/p>\n

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@KatMcKinley<\/a> @ron_fournier<\/a> this isn't a puzzle. It's State vs Federal<\/p>\n

— Greg Pollowitz (@GPollowitz) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> Agreed. Does sound odd to me….but I think trust of State\/Local Govt. is more positive than of the Federales…<\/p>\n

— Marc Posner (@mposner) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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We can all agree the federal government would be easier to trust to handle the crisis if it could settle on some guidelines; the CDC issued yet another new<\/em> set of guidelines today<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> You're right to notice the possible contradiction, but for many it is a fear of the government's inability to handle a real…<\/p>\n

— Lee Doren (@LDoren) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> outbreak. One thing to stop one person from running around town, another to handle problem of dozens who are infected.<\/p>\n

— Lee Doren (@LDoren) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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.@LDoren<\/a> I get why people don't trust government. I don't get why the reaction is to give government more power to seize liberties<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> again your observation of inconsistency is accurate. This is arguably an exception\/example where coercion is the only solution<\/p>\n

— Lee Doren (@LDoren) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> If you can figure out a way to prevent someone from running around NYC via a voluntary payment system, I'm for that over govt<\/p>\n

— Lee Doren (@LDoren) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> @LDoren<\/a> Tis indeed a quandry since inept government is at the root of much of the fear.<\/p>\n

— Carl Gottlieb (@c_cgottlieb) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Amen to that.<\/p>\n

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.@ron_fournier<\/a> Quarantine is kind of a fall back position if travel ban isn't happening. Quarantine is much less desirable but beats nothing<\/p>\n

— Marcus Brown (@marcusbrown) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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.@marcusbrown<\/a> How far do we fall back before we don't get rights back?<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Hmm … speaking of a slippery slope, is this hypothetical exercise headed where we think it’s headed? Yep.<\/p>\n

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Provocative hypothetical: What if a POTUS or governor said only way to enforce mandatory quarantine in high crisis was to seize some guns?<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> Shut yer dirty mouth!<\/p>\n

— Rachael Burke (@rachaelinco) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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.@rachaelinco<\/a> Why not? We're locking up healthy nurses.<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> not enough facts in hypo to make a judgement<\/p>\n

— Wendy Morris (@morrislaw) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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.@morrislaw<\/a> You're open to to government seizing guns? Noted. #Ebola<\/a><\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Another day, another shaky analogy? Noted.<\/p>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> what if POTUS said only way to enforce the quarantine was to arrest reporters?<\/p>\n

— Greg Pollowitz (@GPollowitz) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@GPollowitz<\/a> @ron_fournier<\/a> Ron, there's a lot of law on this. Try researching it.<\/p>\n

— Instapundit.com (@instapundit) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@instapundit<\/a> @GPollowitz<\/a> I have, thanks. You have more trust in government than I do, is all.<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> @GPollowitz<\/a> I doubt that, but you're acting as if these are new questions.<\/p>\n

— Instapundit.com (@instapundit) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> That would be dumb, and illegal (unlike quarantine which has always been legal).<\/p>\n

— David Schumann (@dschumann0) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> I guess your point is, would Americans want civil liberties trampled during the execution of a legal quarantine? Um, no.<\/p>\n

— David Schumann (@dschumann0) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> Or maybe the point is that you don't think that keeping arms is a civil liberty, like speech and religion and voting. It is.<\/p>\n

— David Schumann (@dschumann0) October 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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.@dschumann0<\/a> But you're OK with rights trampled by quarantines? Good lucking ensuring that government herds your fine line<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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.@dschumann0<\/a> heeds, not herds<\/p>\n

— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> What rights? The only right she lost was the right of movement, which is the definition of quarantine. This is not new.<\/p>\n

— David Schumann (@dschumann0) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> You're smarter than this. Unless you say quarantine *per se* is illegal, then movement in a quarantine is not a right.<\/p>\n

— David Schumann (@dschumann0) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> You're smart enough to know our rights are established by law and history, and quarantine has always been legal here.<\/p>\n

— David Schumann (@dschumann0) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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BTW, @ron_fournier<\/a>, your hypothetical will never happen. No one would ever try it. Almost everyone needed to enforce it is on the #2A<\/a> side.<\/p>\n

— RB (@RBPundit) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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You think the military would go along with an order to disarm the public? LOL<\/p>\n

— RB (@RBPundit) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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We hope you’ve enjoyed today’s ride down the slippery slope; the attraction is now closed.<\/p>\n

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@ron_fournier<\/a> This honestly makes no sense, Ron. Maybe get some sleep? We can try again tomorrow.<\/p>\n

— Nathan Wurtzel (@NathanWurtzel) October 28, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Related:<\/p>\n

Ron Fournier compares the NY\/NJ\/IL\/CT Ebola quarantine to WWII internment camps <\/a><\/p>\n

Ron Fournier: For the record, nobody is panicking about Ebola<\/a><\/p>\n

National Journal reporter Ron Fournier: Time for CDC to reconsider Ebola protocols — and talking points<\/a><\/p>\n

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