{"id":150431,"date":"2023-04-18T22:50:43","date_gmt":"2023-04-19T02:50:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/effectsofanxiety.net\/archives\/150431"},"modified":"2023-04-18T22:50:43","modified_gmt":"2023-04-19T02:50:43","slug":"raw-comics-vs-slab-values-kang-fired-comic-book-talk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/effectsofanxiety.net\/archives\/150431","title":{"rendered":"Raw Comics vs Slab Values | Kang Fired?? | Comic Book Talk"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"jetpack-video-wrapper\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Raw Comics vs Slab Values | Kang Fired?? | Comic Book Talk\" width=\"660\" height=\"371\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hG6xnyrXhK0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div><\/p>      <br> thank you  [Music]  I don&#39;t know I&#39;m just gonna throw it out  there guys do it see if Murph is  watching  Murph Jay&#39;s got three words for you  let&#39;s go ranges baby  that&#39;s four  that was four it&#39;s all right it counted  it counted though the first three are  what matter  what is up defects back live on a Monday  night  Jay&#39;s here  it&#39;s we&#39;re just we&#39;re rolling now I feel  like we&#39;re on almost every Monday now  this is something new you know good to  see you guys Big Show planned special  guests  let&#39;s just let&#39;s just get right into it  but you know before we do that I gotta  say one up to my boys Bush what up what  up what are you doing  what is up guys playoff hockey is upon  us being here is brutal right now thank  God we don&#39;t we aren&#39;t live tomorrow  night when the ranges are on but excited  to be here I think it&#39;s a great topic I  think it&#39;s a topic that has definitely  changed over the course of the last year  especially so really excited to get into  it excited about our guest as always  tell them what up  I I figured Murphy&#39;s not going to be  watching because he&#39;s too busy watching  the game right now so obviously what up  defects thank you for stopping by  tonight we all know we got playoff  hockey so we&#39;re all excited about it but  we&#39;re here with you very excited about  tonight&#39;s show uh always love when uh  the Haas the Haas shows up to the show  and hangs out with us so you know he&#39;s  coming in with some with some uh  statistics him and Matt him and Maddie  together make like a freaking all of a  sudden I feel like I&#39;m unlike the FBI  and [ __ ]  I see the reflection of the game in in  guys  uh glass and then tomorrow night when  Jay goes live on whatnot if which we&#39;re  all going to be there if this is still  in the background you&#39;re gonna just have  that on the background Jay or what I  mean I think the game should be over by  9 45 but if it&#39;s not I&#39;m gonna be pissed  off and if I do bad on whatnot I&#39;m  really gonna be [ __ ] pissed that&#39;ll  be the last that&#39;ll be the last time oh  yeah that&#39;ll be the last that&#39;ll be the  last but you&#39;ll you could throw it on  behind you people will love it you can  still hear it people will watch it I  mean come on it&#39;s like you got the  package set up for it bro I&#39;m one of  those guys I could only do one thing at  a time  and even and even that yep and even that  is brutal we love you brother we love  you let&#39;s get into some with some  sponsors Jay a couple perfect games in a  row ah let me Let Me Clear My Throat I  got too much pressure on me now  first up guys the best in the business  e-rod 212 Express comic book pressing  E-Rock will Blaze your books owning and  pressing needs defects 10 gets you ten  percent off not only that era  broadcast as long as dgc and cbcs so hit  him up  attention  next up  everybody&#39;s favorite Beaver mutant  Beaver comics for all online exclusive  variants defects 10 gets you 10 off they  ship worldwide that&#39;s right worldwide so  tell Pat and the b-man the defects sent  you  almost [ __ ] that one up  that was close I felt you just say [ __ ]  it I&#39;m gonna end it so I don&#39;t [ __ ] up  that&#39;s it because it&#39;s still a perfect  game  guy Forge is looking super clear tonight  did you notice that Jay he is looking  clear is is there new equipment in the  house guy Forge no this is the same  computer  I have not brought out the new the new  laptop that that uh Maddie Forge you  know was the brains behind listen you  are looking maybe it&#39;s just because it&#39;s  in the room you are just super crisp  right now all right nice I like it I  like it Speaking of Chris speaking of  crisp  guy Ford you want to bring in the guest  well listen the guy the guy cuts his  hair like us so he should hang out with  us that&#39;s just my opinion so you know  what he goes to the same Barber even  though he&#39;s across the country  um he listen if you ever watch his shows  he sits in front of not only some crazy  [ __ ] books yeah but the man&#39;s got an  Emmy behind him okay sure it&#39;s true  bringing the Haas  what&#39;s going on  welcome my friend thank you so much for  uh bringing me back two times in in a  month I think right there you go look at  that irregular yeah you must be doing  something wrong to be honest with you  then  I&#39;m getting to that uh that number of  appearances that no longer matters  anymore like the collectibility is  dropping off this is true this is true  good to have you here brother  um just to give people a quick recap of  how this you know came to be like just a  few days ago  um you put out a video I I want to say  it was uh what Friday was that a Friday  video yes end of the week last week okay  had a video that was basically an  unboxing of uh awesome book and I&#39;ll let  people go watch it if they won I don&#39;t  wanna I don&#39;t want to spill all the all  the details but the the second half of  the video which you you rolled into very  very nicely might I add was basically  talking about you know Rose you know to  simplify it basically raws versus graded  and and what&#39;s the better buy right now  and what&#39;s what are what where&#39;s the  Demand right now and and and why  um and I think you kind of gave a really  good  um insight into you know what 2021  caused you know with raw uh books being  essentially at least priced the same as  their graded counterparts now whether  they sold that way I think a lot of  times they did or close to it but almost  every  like listing you saw if the book was a  near mint it was selling for almost like  the nine six the nine six price you know  and if it was a 7-0 it was selling you  know they had it listed four the seven  five price you know so it was like you  know that&#39;s what 2021 did and I mean  what was kind of your you know your  quick kind of overall conclusion  to kind of you&#39;re like just it was only  you talked about it for about six or  seven minutes and and kind of like give  us like your kind of wrap up to that  video and kind of lead us into where  we&#39;re gonna talk about tonight yeah for  sure I mean I&#39;m glad you you guys wanted  to talk about this because like you said  you know in my video I only talked about  it for a few minutes but I feel like  there&#39;s so much more to unpack with the  topic but my general thoughts going into  it were you know a lot of people for  whatever reason always kind of pegged me  as a guy who was like the champion of  the raw comic books even though that&#39;s  really not The Stance I&#39;ve ever had it  just I happen to have more raws and then  over time people would tease me because  it&#39;s like oh swag you&#39;re buying all  these graded books and my uh opinion on  that was it&#39;s like it&#39;s not me that all  of a sudden wants created books is that  the market had changed you know in the  last couple years where all of a sudden  prices like you said were essentially  the same so at a certain point it was  like well why would I but before I used  to be able to buy the raw book for you  know you maybe save a little bit the  grading fees and maybe a a little bit of  I I don&#39;t know what you would want to  call it like the the risk that it  doesn&#39;t actually hit the right fee right  and then over time like you said the  price is kind of equalized and then at  that point it was like oh I might as  well just buy the graded book because  it&#39;s already you know cgc fees are  included in this  um and now we&#39;re kind of just hitting a  point where I feel like the demand for  raws have started to come up more and a  lot of the graded books especi I mean  depending on what book you&#39;re talking  about but especially like you know  mid-grade level you know say bronze and  silver books like those prices are  really really hurting  um and in the book that I was unboxing I  just kind of had a situation where I was  like yeah here here&#39;s me buying this raw  book that now is way more affordable  than my graded book or the graded book  equivalent would be for it uh once again  so that was kind of what the video was  about and and uh to kind of sum it up  very very well put together by the way  which which most of your stuff is so I&#39;m  not really worried about when I go watch  your stuff but  um awesome book awesome oh yeah thank  you yeah yeah and it&#39;s nice to have like  obviously the two copies that you know  that yeah that&#39;s that&#39;s that was the  outcome obviously you wanted a raw copy  too and and a slab copy right yeah yeah  it was it was just was a it just became  a thing where it&#39;s like I wanted to  upgrade it and also I didn&#39;t mind  getting a raw cut because like  aesthetically you know it just yeah  it bothers me when there&#39;s like a raw  and then a grade and then a raw you know  it looks all funky to me so I just  wanted I didn&#39;t mind getting it so you  like symmetry you&#39;re saying you know we  gotta we you know as companies we gotta  have our like I mean look at all our  backgrounds you know it&#39;s like this is  all deliberate you know that means you  need an Emmy on for the other side  though yeah yeah it happened anytime  soon you gotta balance it out  um so you know I think so much we&#39;ve and  not really on purpose  um but the past two months we&#39;ve really  talked a lot about grading and cgc and  some of the mishaps  um and again not not the best as you see  you know we try to put that out there  every time but these things are  happening and we have to cover them  um  and you know this is a conversation that  kind of kind of leads to that you know I  don&#39;t want to say and I know Jay has  some some opinions about this so I&#39;m  going to throw it to him first but I  think there&#39;s there is a lot of factors  to you know that that are going to  support the stance that you know maybe  the values aren&#39;t equal as far as the  dollar value but like you were trying  like Mickey you were trying to say that  maybe the not the numeric value but the  actual value as far as how much is on  the bone compared to how much you bought  it for and what&#39;s your upside versus  your you know a slab just being that  price and it&#39;s not going to move much  you know maybe there&#39;s other  contributing factors to it and we&#39;ve  talked a lot about them on this channel  with you know mistrust in some of the  grading companies right Jay and and that  being a factor as to why some people  maybe the slabs aren&#39;t as desirable  right now what do you think  yeah 100 I mean we see what cg3 cgc  ncbcs been going through in the last  year maybe even longer than that  and like we talked about on the show in  the past we see you know we see mistakes  and we hear about it in the community  all being community members and you know  um Everybody in the chat being a  Community member  I mean more mistakes now so than ever uh  way longer waiting times no matter what  tier you&#39;re sending in you&#39;re still not  getting your books back when you&#39;re  supposed to in in most cases right  um defects books that are getting nine  eight that shouldn&#39;t get nine eights  with visible defects on the book even  through the slab so  I think in this conversation it it  really does come down to the specific  book  and the specific grade just like Mickey  said you know  so we&#39;ll use examples and and we&#39;ll get  into that as the show goes on but  um me myself I&#39;ve been leaning I haven&#39;t  submitted a book in what Matt about a  year a year and a half it&#39;s been about  it&#39;s a little over a year for us and  the reason being is I haven&#39;t bought  many grills there&#39;s not I pretty much  checked everything off my list as a  collector I stopped buying so much of  everything and just focused on the  characters and the books that I wanted  um when it comes to Grails listen I&#39;m  not going to keep a grill raw any book  that&#39;s over you know fifteen hundred two  thousand dollars I am going to submit to  cgc I am going to send it to era to get  pressed and cleaned up before that and  all that is money  um  so I you know I&#39;m a little on the fence  I I still tend to think slab  slabs are gonna fetch the higher dollar  amount because it&#39;s it&#39;s your guaranteed  grade right we&#39;ll say guaranteed in  parentheses so  but again man like I watch  PJ Morris and morbius and I I get their  point man with not slave in any of these  books because who knows it depends on  the grader is the book really a nine  eight is it really a nine six is it  really a 5-0 so so I get that but I do  send in to like the bigger books to slab  as an investment as something to save  just in case and we&#39;ve said this before  something happens to me my wife my son  they they have an idea what that book  could sell for just by pulling it up on  eBay but I&#39;m I&#39;m with these guys right  now man I&#39;m with more abuse I I&#39;m with  PJ I&#39;m with all these other old school  role collectors that don&#39;t want to  submit their books I get it man I I get  it  um as far as moderns I&#39;m not sending in  any moderns to cgc anymore I&#39;m not  sending in any more minor Keys  um  it should  this that&#39;s how I feel right  we&#39;ll we&#39;ll get into price point yeah go  on but  yeah I mean you know and I think that is  a whole the the slab to not slab is a  whole except not that it&#39;s a separate  conversation but that can be a separate  conversation you could have a whole show  just on that the reasons why to do one  or the other  um you know and like Jay said we do have  a couple examples to kind of show  you know maybe maybe like heat one of  the examples is almost like a heat check  like what&#39;s What&#39;s um what&#39;s hotter and  I know Mickey during your video you kind  of mentioned that like what is hot or  not necessarily what&#39;s selling for more  but what is more desirable at this time  yeah and then there&#39;s another example  that I have that is gonna show dollar  for dollar  um on a I don&#39;t want to say a Grail but  a major Silver age villain key  um so we&#39;re gonna we&#39;re gonna show those  two things off and kind of dive into it  now I saw a lot of com I got a lot of  DMS and I saw some comments even before  the show that people had a lot of  um  strong feelings about this even before I  got slabs will always be more money  slabs will always be more money and and  while on the surface that&#39;s probably a  statement I would agree with  um I think there&#39;s some Nuance to it and  I think there&#39;s there&#39;s a there&#39;s a  little bit of a deeper dive as to you  know again dollar for dollar may be  right maybe on that nine eight maybe on  those higher grades you&#39;re that&#39;s always  going to be the case but what about you  know the lower grade or what about the  non-keys or what about you know  um you know filler but you know so so  that&#39;s why I said there&#39;s a couple of  different examples and there&#39;s two  specific books that I want to look at  now  it&#39;s hard to do this with  um raws versus slab right because with  slabs you have a grade scale and you  have places to look that up sale for  sale with the raw stuff it&#39;s it&#39;s very  hard you almost have to you have to sit  there grade the book out yourself and  say I think this falls into a 9496  category and then compare it to uh the  latest slab on that we can&#39;t do that for  12 books here it we would be on for four  hours right yeah but the problem with  that is especially when you&#39;re talking  about like a nine six to a nine eight  when you&#39;re looking at a raw book you  may think you have a 9A but that price  point from that 9 6 to that nine eight  is so significantly different it jumps  so high so there&#39;s the problem with that  and  yeah you send it in for that nine eight  but when it comes back that nine six is  it worth cracking it out so someone does  the same thing you do oh maybe I could  potentially get the 98 with this you  know what I mean and who&#39;s to say they  won&#39;t you might crack open a 9-6 sell to  someone they submitted in and then boom  there&#39;s the 98 and that&#39;s the problem  with the Grading Company right there  what do you got guy  he&#39;s muted or frozen or something  what do you got guy  I was frozen I&#39;m sorry I I missed  everything you said  uh what are you out there on the screen  for Super Chat  oh for me Supreme love he said thanks  for making a list and my NC relaxing he  said through rain sleet snow defects  will show so I like that I like that  little that little kid it always says  man the books they look so nice in the  mylord dude there&#39;s nothing  you throw a 5-0 book and a mylar it  could look like a NATO you know what I  mean but true yeah and and another thing  that comes into play is buying and  selling raw verse slabs right because if  if I&#39;m buying a high grade a high dollar  value book online  I&#39;ve been burnt too many times to buy a  raw copy man if it&#39;s a Grail I&#39;m I&#39;m  buying it slab yeah at the end of the  day just because it&#39;s it it&#39;s safer  um because you don&#39;t know what you know  you may get pictures you might get this  you might get that but you don&#39;t know  what&#39;s going on on the inside of that  book you don&#39;t know if there&#39;s water  that stuff that the camera can&#39;t pick up  so you know modern&#39;s different you buy a  modern online you&#39;re all right you know  you you&#39;re buying silver age and maybe  even some Bronze Age books  online eBay what not Instagram  you know you don&#39;t know what you&#39;re  gonna get so that&#39;s where I tend to I&#39;ll  buy a celeb and spend that extra money  knowing  the guaranteed grade rather than rolling  the dice  yeah what were you going to say Mickey  god well there&#39;s so many answers when  you&#39;re bringing up uh the people who are  instantly kind of reacting to the  thumbnail and stuff and and I I&#39;d say  that I think we&#39;d all agree like in a  vacuum of course the graded book is  always going to be more expensive I mean  just grading fees alone just is always  going to make it more expensive but I  think what it is is it&#39;s like the demand  aspect or like how like what&#39;s going to  be easier to sell and and kind of like  Jay what you&#39;re saying like there&#39;s  there&#39;s definitely a price point where  it&#39;s like yeah if it&#39;s above like  fifteen hundred dollars like grade the  book by all means but then when you get  into that like it&#39;s a 500 book range all  of a sudden you&#39;re in this weird spot  you know if if like let&#39;s say there&#39;s a  you got a 5-0 book that&#39;s graded and  then you have what looks like a raw 50  book I feel like a lot of people would  almost rather buy the raw one  for whatever reason like maybe it&#39;s a  psychological thing or like they just  think oh I can just like I can press  that one up or like I don&#39;t need it in a  slab and that one might be easier to  sell or be faster to sell now and I  think that that&#39;s kind of maybe what  what at least this conversation is too  you know right and it&#39;s funny that you  said that because I was going to kind of  talk about the demand  um you know you had said you know going  it&#39;s taking a step backwards a little  bit we had said that you know during  2021 and early 2022 There Was You Know  The Raw books you know were were listed  equal to the graded and and some of the  sales they were really close  um and do we do you think it&#39;s because  because and I think the same goes for  now but then  the demand for everything was so high  yeah and there&#39;s less places to look up  a raw value  than there is obviously a slab value and  and  it created almost like a frenzy where  books were going so fast that you didn&#39;t  really have time to think is this like  am I getting the right price for this  raw book you just saw that book somebody  told you you had to buy it it looks like  it&#39;s priced and a lot of new buyers not  knowing that uh near mint book is not  the same as buying you know uh nine  eight or a nine six or even a nine four  right technically shouldn&#39;t be  um but do you think that  the supply I mean excuse me the demand  is what&#39;s really  um driving some of these prices raw and  slab because you even mentioned that the  consolidation of certain grades where we  are seeing  higher grade books sell for less than  lower grade books because  at that time maybe just nobody was  looking to buy that book maybe one was  bought on a buyer now and one was bought  on an auction when no one was really  looking  somebody&#39;s I and you showed a a book  that a 5-0 sold for like eighty dollars  less than it&#39;s count like then a 4-0 and  not too far apart yeah so I feel like  that&#39;s got to be demand causing that  right  yeah I think so for sure I definitely  think that the the demand has cooled  down so like it&#39;s it&#39;s  uh not like there&#39;s any given day like  any of these books just depending on  who&#39;s watching you know could sell lower  or higher so like there&#39;s just a lot of  like volatility in that middle section  and then but compared to 2021 and 2022  you know I think there was a point where  it&#39;s like let&#39;s say you had a book that  you know the graded version can get you  a thousand and and then maybe it was  like normal for you to sell the raw for  I don&#39;t know like 700 bucks right but  then all of a sudden I think people just  started to kind of get greedy in 2021  when everything was going crazy and  you&#39;re just sort of thinking to yourself  well why would I sell mine for 700 when  I know this guy&#39;s just gonna send it in  to get graded and I&#39;m leaving money on  the table you know all of a sudden so  that&#39;s kind of why I think people were  raising those raw Book prices because  they just knew that oh if you&#39;re just  going to get it graded and it&#39;s going to  double the value like why wouldn&#39;t I  just sell it for that yeah and I like  what you said about the the you know  kind of the flip and you know I know  some people it&#39;s like a bad word but not  on this channel you know it&#39;s like you  know  if somebody buys that rule book they  think there&#39;s more potential for it down  the road and and again with an overall  dip in the market  you know maybe you&#39;re buying for a  longer term hold maybe you&#39;re buying to  try to you know maximize your value and  I think I I think it was what we just  talked about like the lower the higher  grade selling for less one week apart  this and that is just a result of a a  big downward dip in in the market right  so a lot of things are coming into play  that are causing you know some of these  weird prices on on slabs  um sprinkle in some some really big  missteps this year with with grading  companies people&#39;s desire to have that  that book in a mylar if it&#39;s an older  book and now you&#39;re starting to see a  little bit more demand for raw books  than graded books which is just gonna  naturally cause an increase in price  I mean yeah again there&#39;s gonna always  be those steadfast rules right the nine  eights the modern nine eights nine sixes  you know certain like books over a  thousand dollars you&#39;re always going to  see that  but I mean for me just in the past three  months since I&#39;ve started kind of  starting to buy comics again I&#39;ve been  paying attention to a lot more auctions  of books that don&#39;t necessarily have  anything to do with news or keys or  anything like that and what I&#39;ve been  seeing is  you know those lower grade  Silver age books that aren&#39;t necessarily  that expensive  you know a four or five you know in this  book in a four or five sells for seventy  dollars  but a raw  four to five oh you know 4050 is selling  for 90.<br><br> and and I&#39;ve seen that my own personal  experience and I&#39;ve seen it over and  over again and I think it&#39;s a reason  it&#39;s it&#39;s because of all the reasons  we&#39;ve been talking about so I don&#39;t have  a specific example it&#39;s just I have been  seeing this time and time again over the  last few months have you guys noticed  something like that as well I mean  because I I keep seeing it happen and  it&#39;s kind of sometimes it doesn&#39;t Shock  Me A lot of times it is because I&#39;m like  that&#39;s not really like a filler book  like that&#39;s kind of like a book that I  could see people having in that grade  but obviously not to these group of  buyers they&#39;d rather have it for more  money in a slab I mean in a mylar  totally  do you think there&#39;s like a  is it like  there&#39;s always the like I&#39;ve kind of  said it in jest in my video but it&#39;s  like if my book is raw and I know it&#39;s a  VG there&#39;s always like in my mind like  well maybe it&#39;s a 5-0 right you know  versus like when it has the number on it  I know this is the number and like good  point I don&#39;t know so do you think that  there&#39;s like a weird collector  psychology that&#39;s kind of coming into  play these days even with the number on  it is it really the number right that&#39;s  what yeah yeah good point I don&#39;t know  yeah I&#39;m just a piggyback you Jay that&#39;s  all yeah no and I like what Roy said in  the in the chat and supreme said  something that I I&#39;m gonna disagree with  that you know these graders are human  and everybody makes a mistake and listen  I get that but when it comes to money  and collectibles and you&#39;re paying  top dollar to have these books graded  you&#39;re paying top dollar to get your  books pressed and cleaned before all  this happens I don&#39;t want to hear it&#39;s a  mistake and I think it&#39;s a combination  of people maybe smartening up with money  a little bit and losing faith in these  grading companies listen people aren&#39;t  blind that cgc got so many artists  coming in and they&#39;re so distracted by  this and there&#39;s private signings and I  get it listen me and Matt spoke earlier  today and Matt said it if you live  somewhere where there&#39;s not big cons  where you can&#39;t get these books signed  it it gives collectors a great  opportunity to send your books in to get  them signed but it seems like cgc pushes  everything to the back burner for these  signatures now I mean they&#39;re having kit  Harrington there they&#39;re having the girl  from Hawk like this it got to stop at  some point focus on what what you&#39;re  there for to grade books right I don&#39;t  want to hear oh we made a mistake no I  don&#39;t want to hear that because they  don&#39;t refund you in any way yeah they  really don&#39;t make things right and we&#39;ve  heard I have a horror story that we&#39;re  going to talk about  in a little bit um the person happens to  be in litigation with cgc and we can&#39;t  talk about it right now but when that&#39;s  all said and done we&#39;re gonna talk about  it and it has to do with them losing  books and it and it&#39;s a disaster man  like listen I don&#39;t want a mistake and  if and if my book is I think it&#39;s a nine  eight and they bring it back a nine two  and nine four or even a nine six and  there&#39;s no notes [ __ ] that I want to  know why this book didn&#39;t hit that 9 8  at least give me that respect you know  what I mean yeah so it&#39;s not even about  respect you deserve to know you&#39;re  paying right exactly yeah 100 you&#39;re  paying for it take take respect out of  the equation you&#39;re paying for a service  so when you pay for something you expect  the service in return  especially if it&#39;s like like I think of  like Amazing Spider-Man 300 like the  price between a nine eight and a nine  six is like yeah thousands of dollars  right so like and you sent it in like  you you need that explanation like why  is  you know yeah correct  what do you got there and I just think I  think overall is collectors and now you  know everybody being in the community  and being in a Facebook group or being  on Instagram and seeing all these  mistakes that are being made I think  people are starting to lose faith in cgc  and greater books and I think that&#39;s  another main reason why people are  gravitating towards raw copies  if you get your hands on the raw then  you can take your time and you have it  and maybe when things get fixed or  things get better you can send it in so  that&#39;s another reason why they&#39;re gonna  they&#39;re gonna grab them now while they  can and then this way they have them in  their hands in their possession but Dave  Cerrone is yelling out and wants some  Eva for swaggle house  he said King of the charts and grass so  give them a little Eva  hey that defects guess who&#39;s back for  some more Super chats  yeah baby  let&#39;s go defects  let&#39;s go defects it&#39;s either going to  terrificon  possibly wow possibly he couldn&#39;t even  say that with a straight face  there could there could be something in  the works yeah you never know oh  spoilers all right I never know you  never know that&#39;s all we&#39;ll say all  right let&#39;s look at a little bit of data  there&#39;s I didn&#39;t want to get too crazy  with the detail on this because it is a  little hard to work at so we&#39;re gonna  give two specific examples where&#39;s that  low Super Chat very good yeah he comes  in a perfect timing look comes in  perfect timing no like whatever he&#39;s  always lurking he&#39;s got us on in the  background while he&#39;s flipping through  about 10 000 books at a time  so let me bring so one book that came to  mind that&#39;s been hot so it kind of  doesn&#39;t give an excuse right it&#39;s a hot  book so it kind of levels the playing  field there&#39;s Kanan number six right we  all know that&#39;s been in the news right  for for uh one reason or another and I  think that&#39;s that started around I think  April 6th or 7th I think that&#39;s when the  trailer came out so I tried to kind of  look up uh I want to look up some raw  copies so let me share my screen  if I can [ __ ] do this share screen  Chrome tab there we go  okay  now we could just bring it up all right  so I wanted to bring it back to around  the seventh and again I&#39;m not you know  some of these are best offer so it&#39;s not  I guarantee that this this second one  here sold for 120 but let&#39;s just assume  it was close right  so obviously this news I&#39;m trying to get  to the first raw copy  this is right okay so right around here  you have this 85 dollar sale for a very  fine near mint  you guys can still see me right  yeah all right then we have this 140  Plus  you know best offer obviously let&#39;s just  assume it&#39;s somewhere between 125 and  130 for this this near mint book right  on that first  the first day  um you know if I just kind of scroll up  115 120 100  let&#39;s go back to the first page sorry  about that my screen&#39;s skipping a little  bit uh let me bring it to the bottom  for whatever reason my screen is not  cooperating here we go  it&#39;s kind of skip over the raws for now  uh I mean the slabs for now you know  this was an 80 copy near mint so that  was a really good deal I would say 90 uh  80.<br><br>Back in the 80s now we&#39;re getting  back up to the 117s you know we&#39;re back  on the rise right 81  uh this was 175 uh best offer so that&#39;s  I mean even if it was 140 that&#39;s still a  definite jump this was 140 best offer so  to me I mean you know this was a little  lower that I look I think I looked at  that earlier I had a spine tick this was  like a VF near Main copy this 85.<br><br> basically anything near mint you can see  this 160 for a raw wow you gotta assume  that&#39;s near mint or better  um you know you&#39;re you&#39;re over a hundred  thirty dollars for these near mints and  and that kind of the price was kind of  set and it kind of just stuck around  again this was an 88 book I looked at it  had a spine tick uh 147. anything with  no spine ticks was you know right in  this 110 115 range to like 130 140 range  right you&#39;d see another one sold just  under 140.<br><br> um so it&#39;s hard to you&#39;re not gonna  really take a nine eight and say like Oh  look The 98 is cheaper that&#39;s that&#39;s not  what you&#39;re gonna see here right it&#39;s  just this is a book that kind of has  held its value for the last three years  um but I wanted to just look at it  compared to as far as the heat check  like clearly a book sold today 145  Dollars near a minute so that that near  mint price for raws is really holding  strong right  um  so let&#39;s go over to the GPA for the 98  okay it seems like it seems I can get a  better deal on on uh some other  platforms other than eBay yeah I mean  it&#39;s possible  I&#39;m just saying we&#39;re we&#39;re just saying  can you see that this GPA you guys able  to see that not yet can&#39;t see it okay  hold on I should probably turn it on  right there you go  so GPA 9A Kanan number six  um  right here is when those 9 8 started  selling and you can see 500 549 500.<br><br> okay those first two nine eight sales  right after the news  down to 450 down to 400 down to 388  jumps back up a little bit and then  level is starting to level back down  again 425. okay  so not a ton of sales I mean it&#39;s a  decent amount of sales one two three  four five six seven eight eight nine  eight sales in the last 10 days I mean  it&#39;s not a cheap book right I mean  it&#39;s  strong right I mean if you look at the  March 30th price let&#39;s just say let&#39;s  assume that these people kind of knew  something was happening right buying up  these nine eights  um but if this three you know  this four to this 350 to 400 price range  in this past month or two you know  that&#39;s where where the price was so even  at this later price we&#39;re obviously  still above that  but to me this does I mean to go from  549 to drop to 425 in less than 10 days  while the raws have remained if anything  have gone up  you know I think the demand and again  we&#39;re not talking dollar for a dollar  we&#39;re talking right now in this instance  Raw versus slab we&#39;re talking demand and  where the value is  it it looks like for this book it&#39;s  people are looking for that raw book and  that near me copy is still on the rise  yeah I I think it may be it&#39;s just  people  because obviously if you can buy the  book for 150  with the potential to get the nine eight  I think people just would rather do that  like just they just just the demand to  be like you know what why am I gonna I  do I really need to guarantee myself a 9  8 and spend 250 extra dollars I just  think  a lot of people kind of like I think  what Jay you said earlier were just  people just being more cautious with how  they wanna  do this you know I think that that&#39;s  what you&#39;re seeing so people are like  I&#39;d rather just buy the raw and assume  it&#39;s going to be a 9-8 or go for the  nine eight or send it in and hopefully  it hits  and now especially with this book this  book&#39;s going to be an all-time high  um right  you know everybody&#39;s buying up at the  news I think yeah you know is the book  gonna come down I think so  so why invest whatever that was 569 and  buy it at an all-time high when you  could roll the dice and buy a raw copy  and potentially get that 98 especially  with a newer book like that you know  but then there&#39;s other stuff going on  eulers thanks for the shout out dude  because I sold Oilers one of these books  and he got a 9-8 on that from an old  YouTube auction so thanks for that shout  out dude nice  um  another thing man is don&#39;t forget now  guys cgc is starting to give books  purple labels for cleaning and pressing  so that&#39;s something you gotta be on the  lookout for too that&#39;s gonna change the  game for a lot of people you know what I  mean especially if they&#39;re hitting you  with a purple label for a cleaning  service that&#39;s you know we got to talk  about that that&#39;s something like yeah  another show but we gotta address that  yeah and real quick some old school  collectors like that they don&#39;t like the  idea of a clean and oppressed they think  they consider it restoration do I no I I  don&#39;t but some people do and you gotta  respect everybody&#39;s opinion on it and  just like great adverse raw you got to  respect everybody&#39;s opinion on it right  if you look at a A Fantastic Four number  five a first Doom whether someone has it  raw or slab that&#39;s still a [ __ ]  fantastic book man you know what I mean  so  I just think people are getting a little  more hip to the game when it comes to  cgc and you know reading the backlash  and the horror story so I think that  plays a big part in this too  I wanted to give one more example  because again  you know people were immediately jumping  saying the raw book is always going to  be worth more I mean the the slab book  is always going to be worth more  and I found an example and again this  wasn&#39;t hard to find it&#39;s not like I had  to look forever to find this  um an example of a pretty  pretty big book I think  um  so Silver Surfer number three and this  book I picked for a reason and maybe  you&#39;ll see later on why but I&#39;m not  going to explain why right now  um so this Silver age major villain key  okay in a lower grade  um sold for 3.95 best offer I looked it  up  it actually went for  365.<br><br>Okay  um and  let&#39;s look I don&#39;t know if I&#39;m going to  be able to show I&#39;m gonna I&#39;m gonna zoom  in a little bit  and then I&#39;m gonna try to bring up  a whole book  let me see what that looks like I&#39;m  gonna have to use the magnifying glass a  little bit so this corner can you guys  kind of see that yep  you know that spidering  you know I&#39;m just gonna go slow  to me  this looks like the back is pretty clean  I mean to me this looks like somewhere  between a four and a five probably five  is on the very high side  but if you just say if you just say  maybe like a four or five  just because of this corner here and The  Tear at the top  um but even if you want to go high and  you want to say five I mean am I in the  ballpark  yeah I was gonna say a four right off  the bat as soon as you started showing I  was gonna say about a four  but but you know what I&#39;ll even give the  benefit of that and let&#39;s let&#39;s just say  it&#39;s a five okay  um  now  I wanted to see what a four or a five  was selling for in a graded copy so  remember this was 360.<br><br>This book which  it&#39;s not like it had like a hidden  defect that somebody can see these are  like right in front this guy had a lot  of pictures uh of every corner like you  can really and this was I want to say it  was best offer okay so again you&#39;re not  under the gun to uh you know the  auctions running down maybe you bid too  much and then have that buyer&#39;s remorse  this is a book that has been sitting out  there okay  so I want to go to GPA real quick and  this will kind of be the last example of  this but I had to I had to bring up  something just to kind of say are we on  to something here  uh let me share it with you guys okay  so right off the bat let&#39;s just say it&#39;s  a five which again I think that&#39;s a  little high last sale this month 380.  okay  um and let&#39;s just say it is a four last  sale  last month not too long ago 340.  this raw book at 360. is I by all  metrics is basically equivalent or more  you&#39;re paying more by the time I mean  you&#39;re paying more for it essentially  for a raw book  and you would  that same book and it slabbed and it&#39;s  in its slapped form  um and this isn&#39;t like a tiny book this  isn&#39;t like a book that nobody&#39;s gonna  buy in that grade I mean there&#39;s been  five five sales this year I mean excuse  me there&#39;s been five five oh sales in  this in this book this year that&#39;s I  mean it&#39;s a lot of that&#39;s a lot for you  know a 1968 you know for one grade it&#39;s  been four months I mean that&#39;s you know  in a book that it&#39;s not like it&#39;s super  hot for any reason right now  so I mean this is you know maybe it&#39;s  the exception but this exception didn&#39;t  take me more than five minutes to find  so I feel like this is happening more  than people realize  expect more downward Trends on this book  now that they&#39;re gonna [ __ ] gender  swap my fist though so expect that book  to come crashing down soon  well Danner right that and that&#39;s the  question was it an outlier and we could  sit here for  hours and look at every raw book and try  to grade it out but again this this was  literally the first rule book I found  it&#39;s not like I cherry-picked it you  know and I mean we can if you want I  guess we could sit here and look for the  next raw cell I mean I just want to take  a quick look see if anything stands out  so that&#39;s a good point too because that  could be how many sellers does how many  you know followers does the seller on  eBay had what did he post it as exactly  you know what I mean I think a lot of  that comes into fact there too  yeah I mean that one didn&#39;t it just said  c I think it said c picks for the uh for  for um  for Whatchamacallit for condition right  it&#39;s not like he was just I said if  anything he showed every single defect  it&#39;s not like you were he was getting  one picture that maybe somebody didn&#39;t  look close enough at he showed every  picture so here I&#39;m going to show you  another one I mean this is actually this  is even in a better example  um just because that and appreciate you  Dan Hart coming coming into the whatnot  sale the other night uh where is it  where is it let me get rid of that one  uh but yeah no that was a good question  and actually I&#39;m glad that you made me  look at this uh  uh stick with me for a second there it  there it is  share that up  okay  so this was an election so different  style this is an auction  um 368 dollars so right in that same  price range I want to say that this book  is slightly nicer but it has a spine  split  all right you can&#39;t really see from that  but that has a spine split right and a  decent one  um some some spine issues for sure you  know that bottom corner is is not as bad  as the other one  um you definitely that&#39;s you know that&#39;s  worse than the other book that that  little Mark right there but that spine  split you know one inch spine split  you know you have that uh right in the v  there you have uh that that cut right in  the v or that slice that&#39;s that&#39;s color  breaking  um  this looks like it presents nicer though  it definitely presents better but I  would say again though this is probably  a Max 5-0 because you have a spine split  that&#39;s at least an inch  um now maybe not as many people know  about that you can see that that bottom  corner is chewed up you know but maybe  not as many people know about a spine  split like kind of  wrapping your grade  but I mean even if you want to say this  is a 5&#39;5  right like Max you know so the five  fives  you know  the 5-0 selling for 380.<br><br> you know so it&#39;s like  that they&#39;re still very very close right  like so you have to assume someone would  want to pay to press it and then send it  in and do that so whatever that fee is  on top you know so it&#39;s pretty close oh  yeah I mean the great is if you&#39;re if  you don&#39;t know someone and you&#39;re saying  it let&#39;s say you&#39;re sending in a single  book if you&#39;re sending in a single book  graded clean pressed to an outside party  and then shipped to cgc created that&#39;s a  minimum and at this price point Silver  age I&#39;m just doing some round numbers  shipping both way like you&#39;re looking at  90 to 100 dollars well unless for  everything  let&#39;s use an Express CBP which you have  a discount code  just throwing it out there you know so  automatically that 360 turns to you know  460. so and again I know not everybody  bidding on eBay is going to have that  same knowledge of the spine split is  thinking of the cleaning and pressing  and the grating but again this is the  the second book I found  right if that second book that I found  like is literally the second world sale  on this book if that was the second book  I found and it went for like two 260 I  would say sure  then then yeah maybe maybe it&#39;s just an  anecdotal it&#39;s it&#39;s a single instance  it&#39;s the it&#39;s the exception again I do  think that moreover the slabs are going  to sell more but I think you know in  certain instances and it&#39;s becoming more  apparent even in my eyes that the the  the raw books are selling for equivalent  if not even a few dollars more of their  raw counterparts depending on like Jay  said earlier depending on the grade  depending on the book depending on the  error so and guy could you throw up  Fizzy&#39;s comment real quick  because I I like that that&#39;s a great  comment  bottom line is who do you trust more do  you trust C uh cgc cbcs more or some  Rando on eBay who mindlessly props near  mint in their listing title and that and  that&#39;s a great Point dude and that ex  that&#39;s exactly why I said in the  beginning of the show if I&#39;m buying a  high priced book like ss3  um online from eBay from whatnot from  Instagram whatever the case may be I  gotta buy that book slap just for that  reason alone so you&#39;re absolutely right  when it comes down to that I do trust  cgc and cbcs more than some dude posting  it up on on eBay or whatever selling  platform they&#39;re selling it on  so I I&#39;m gonna pose one more question to  you guys and you just take take over and  then we&#39;ll move on we&#39;ll talk about the  Jonathan Majors thing but you know we  can sit here and say  bad buyer you know misrepresentation  somebody overbid it somebody didn&#39;t  realize that didn&#39;t think about the  grading and this and that but at the end  of the day doesn&#39;t that sale still count  and doesn&#39;t it still set a price point  doesn&#39;t it still affect the next sale  like obviously when it&#39;s egregious  people just throw it away but Mickey I  mean it&#39;s it&#39;s still it&#39;s gonna like if  you&#39;re looking at that and you see that  that book sold for this price aren&#39;t you  gonna still enter you know put that into  your equation of what you should pay for  the book 100 it totally counts you know  and and I think you know you didn&#39;t pull  up all of it but even when you were kind  of saying like just just  in peer it just is empirically true you  know because I I agree with you it&#39;s we  could talk about SilverStar for three  but I bet if you pulled up Thor 165 out  of Morlock you know you&#39;d see the same  types of things going on or if you  pulled up like the Wonder first Wonder  Man book you know you&#39;d see this it&#39;s a  lot of these types of you know they&#39;re  big keys but they&#39;re it&#39;s not like an  ASM one you know like a case point it&#39;s  like ASM one shirt like you know that  that&#39;s gonna be different but a lot of  these types of things it happens a lot  you know and and we&#39;re seeing it repeat  itself again and again  what do you think Jay final word  yeah I mean I I pretty much you know  spoke my piece on it um  uh dependent on the book right just like  make said is it is it a big key yeah  it&#39;s a big key is it a Grail no it&#39;s not  a grill  um I think at the end of the day it all  comes down to the buyer and the  collector and and and  what they want for their I do see a push  and raw books being more uh  more in demand now you know especially  you know coming from King Khan and going  more you know you see more people all  the time buying these books raw and  whether they&#39;re submitting or not but  it&#39;s definitely you know  cgc and cbcs they are a million you know  big big companies but they are  definitely catching backlash from  collectors in the community without a  doubt without a doubt I mean NJ without  just just to kind of put like just an  extra piece of evidence in there and  again this is this is just our personal  experience this is just what we&#39;re  seeing you know like we&#39;ve made it clear  that we still think that you know slab  books overall are going to be more  valuable but again we&#39;re talking about  demand which you know it&#39;s more than  just a dollar right but Jay without  saying any names without saying what  book it was without saying the grade or  anything like that didn&#39;t we just have a  conversation with someone that said  maybe I should just break out that book  and sell it wrong because I&#39;ll probably  get more money for it yeah 100 yeah you  know so this is how right like so  I don&#39;t know  um it&#39;s an interesting conversation and  as soon as I watched the video that  Mickey did and if you guys want to check  it out his link is in the description  um it just so many ideas like it kind of  brought to kind of to the Forefront what  I had been seeing these past three few  weeks you know just perusing eBay  perusing whatnot you know just and and  saying to myself I can&#39;t believe that  raw book just sold more than what I just  looked up a 5-0 to go for and I know  this book  isn&#39;t a 5-all you know like so I don&#39;t  know I think it&#39;s an interesting  conversation I saw a lot of good  comments on there unfortunately there&#39;s  four of us we I wanted to address every  single one but then we&#39;d be here for  three hours and yep we can&#39;t do it we&#39;d  love to but  um  but don&#39;t go anywhere we&#39;re not done yet  we still have more to talk about after  we talk about a couple whatnot shows  coming up uh Jay you selling tomorrow  night brother yeah I am popping my  cherry it&#39;s like I said every show for  the last three weeks since we announced  this I&#39;m officially selling my soul  officially tomorrow  um  YouTube just wasn&#39;t working dude I guess  this is this is just the only way right  now we&#39;ll check it out  um I won&#39;t be selling a lot on there but  I&#39;ll definitely be selling some cool  books that I know are probably gonna go  for a lot lower than I&#39;m expecting get  your deals it&#39;s a good time right it&#39;s  getting books to you guys in the  community everybody&#39;s winning I&#39;m making  a little bit of money maybe you&#39;re  getting books you like we&#39;re gonna have  a good time we&#39;ll all be up there  chatting like a show so  it is what it is right now right let&#39;s  go that&#39;s it yeah Jay&#39;s going tomorrow  night 9 45 we start off with e-rod seven  o&#39;clock at 8 30.<br><br> do you hear me  I think my earbud died Mickey can you  hear me yeah I can still hear you okay  so both of you both here yeah it&#39;s just  Jay then  um yeah Jay goes on 9 45 tomorrow night  e-rod first at seven very Gary at 8 30  and then we&#39;re starting at 9 45 probably  go till about uh 10 30 10 45. a couple  giveaways gonna be in there and like we  said if you haven&#39;t been there yet it&#39;s  all three of us hanging out just like  here on YouTube so it&#39;s like a little  mini show on whatnot we talk about  whatever happened there will be  something that seems to something that  happens either Monday night or Tuesday  morning and it&#39;s always after our show  so we so we&#39;ve been talking about that  on whatnot as well so it&#39;s like you get  like an extra show  um and maybe you buy some books so links  in the description even if you&#39;re not  buying just come hang out with us it&#39;s  something we can like we said we&#39;re  giving books away we&#39;re bullshitting  with you guys so it&#39;s more than just  selling the books so the defects you&#39;re  doing another show  on another day just come by I mean it&#39;s  I mean it&#39;s content maybe it&#39;s kind of  what do you ask for  that&#39;s it so be Supreme love a supreme  love I think I still have that Thor 166.<br><br> I still have that Maddie right yeah I  think so yes you do I think I do you  want to DM me  you have Instagram DM me there you go  sliding that slide in that DM brother  um the um so yeah what up thorough in  the chat yeah  um look at the shirt Link&#39;s in the  description and the QR codes on the  screen look at the shirt keep it  thorough baby  how did you know to wear that thank you  Cog CLG in the house  CLG we&#39;re gonna be talking about we&#39;re  gonna be talking about CLG next week we  just didn&#39;t have enough time this week  but we got clg&#39;s got some we&#39;ve  mentioned it before on this channel but  we got a giveaway for you guys next week  so I&#39;ll just tease that and we&#39;ll leave  it at that but make sure you&#39;re tuned in  next week on YouTube because we got a  nice giveaway and if you want a giveaway  Jay&#39;s doing two [ __ ] awesome  giveaways tomorrow and I was like you&#39;re  giving those books away  yeah Jay&#39;s in the chat because his  earbuds died I don&#39;t know if he&#39;s gonna  jump back in or he&#39;s done but we quickly  just wanted to talk so tomorrow night  what not 9 45 come hang out bookmark the  shows that helps us out a lot  links in the description or QR code on  the screen  tell us about the last thing we&#39;re going  to talk about here  well I mean this is just funny I I I  obviously it was in the news there&#39;s  some big chat big channels I mean we&#39;re  like we&#39;re like this we&#39;re like this I  mean there&#39;s some big channels throwing  some videos up there about and uh  Canyons having some you see what I did  there with the words Kang is having some  Majors issues we saw this with the ads  got him you know got him that&#39;s all  um I mean guys do you does this hold any  I mean how about this I go to my cousin  Vinnie does the defensive case hold  water  so  um speaking on the hot mic podcast  Insider Jeff Schneider I&#39;ve heard his  name before uh and I&#39;ve seen I&#39;ve read  this I read this too so go ahead I&#39;m  excited for it um brought up uh the cat  uh Idris okay and that&#39;s that um damson  Idris who is set to play opposite Brad  Brad Pitt in Apple&#39;s upcoming movie set  in the world of formula one here&#39;s the  quote here&#39;s here&#39;s one I wanted to talk  about  did you see who got cast in the Brad  Pitt racing movie question mark Dame  damson address and if you don&#39;t know  where that is he&#39;s from snowfall uh  actually I really like that show I think  he&#39;s from and he says I think he&#39;s from  snowfall and that&#39;s and so that&#39;s like a  big part right that is the the young hot  shot racer opposite Brad put Brad Pitt  in this 150 to 200 million dollar racing  movie that is a big deal that he got  that he noted that the young Talent  would be the kind of the kind of actor  the studio is looking at if Jonathan  Majors gets the boot as Kang and again  quote even though there hasn&#39;t been any  movement on the Jonathan Majors front  I&#39;ve heard that that&#39;s the kind of actor  who like who like if Jonathan Majors got  the Buddhas Kevin someone like damson  Idris is the type of person that Marvel  may look at to replace him so they  literally said they want a devs and  Idris like actor  swag what the [ __ ]  I mean is that that just seems like we  want the young gonna be influential in  Hollywood for the next 10 years actor  right and I want the butcher-esque  to be the third defect I wanna I wanna  God forbid something that happens yeah  yeah what  did  yeah it&#39;s interesting  stories like does Disney see these like  tests yeah how would fans react to this  if we if we recast well yeah before you  cut out into Jake can you hear us yeah  yeah I&#39;m good I&#39;m good I know I know you  wanted to talk I know you had like we  have a little bit of a difference in  opinion on this so go first just in case  you get cut off again but tell me what  do you think about this because I know  you threw something in the chat I know  this was coming from off the Jump I  [ __ ] this the mouse don&#39;t play dude  they&#39;re not gonna have  a dude that allegedly you know  involved in a domestic violence incident  and whether it disappears or not they  always disappear look at the NFL look at  all look look at Sports in general  these always disappear because the  victim gets paid off in whatever the  case may be Disney don&#39;t want to be  associated with any type of domestic  violence especially nowadays and think  about all the money they&#39;re saving now  but an actor that&#39;s not as big as  Jonathan Majors  um  I&#39;m surprised it didn&#39;t happen sooner  I&#39;m surprised it didn&#39;t happen when the  news dropped but I guess they had to get  their lawyers involved and see where  they go from there and that&#39;s it and you  know if if you&#39;ve been following it  whether it&#39;s on IG or in the news more  people are coming forward that work with  this guy&#39;s majors and said he has  violent tendencies so before anything  else bad happens right like Ezra Miller  I just seen Lord Brooklyn put it in  listen they stuck with Ezra right I mean  and that dude allegedly held people  hostage but who knows but too much money  on the line yeah that&#39;s why exactly way  too much money on the line I mean  I like I like you know I haven&#39;t seen  Ant-Man 3 yet so I can&#39;t tell you my  opinion on Jonathan majors  portrayal of Kang but I like Kang the  Conqueror and if these kids get a step  up to do a good job then there you go if  there&#39;s not going to be any backlash or  Disney you know what I mean if there&#39;s  not gonna be  a bunch of protesters outside with  nothing better to do than protest a  Marvel movie because of domestic  violence they don&#39;t want that headache  so Jay on a positive note I don&#39;t know  if this was meant for you or not I was  dying you want to just read that out  loud  oh there you go I like it  um yeah man I you know they they don&#39;t  want to be exactly and like Roy says is  there any I mean there&#39;s people that  still go out I&#39;m excited for Guardians  three it&#39;s gonna be the first movie I go  see in the theaters in a in a long long  time it&#39;s gonna be a fun night Cinco de  Mayo think of the last Marvel movie we  saw in the theaters  um no we saw we saw DC movie in the  theaters yeah we saw Batman  um I couldn&#39;t even tell you the list oh  wow Shang Chi we want and we both fell  asleep yeah oh yeah yeah  the second time I watched that on Disney  plus I I liked it I did too you know  what I mean um yeah so yeah you know  Disney&#39;s not playing man you know  they&#39;re good  I don&#39;t know man see this is like me and  Jay are on the opposite side we have  been since the beginning we&#39;ve got a  little side back going honestly I think  what like what SWAG said now I&#39;m not  saying that he won&#39;t get fired because  if I think if more comes out or he does  you know if the if the case goes 40 does  go to trial then it&#39;s a different story  my thing is I don&#39;t think it&#39;s gonna get  that far I think what&#39;s Happening Here  is they&#39;re definitely testing the waters  like swag side but I also think they&#39;re  also doing cover fire let&#39;s say they put  this out and and the evidence has  already come the the stronger evidence  is on the opposite side so far they&#39;ve  all let like the last two weeks all  you&#39;ve seen is all this evidence being  put out there in the news and I&#39;ll say  evidence about how it it wasn&#39;t him he  didn&#39;t do anything the girlfriend&#39;s text  messages this thing and that thing that  that&#39;s by design of course so but Disney  now has kind of like a look we would  have done this if something happened we  covered our ass like if this if if this  guy was guilty or we felt like he was  guilty or it did go to trial we were  actively looking for a replacement  already so don&#39;t don&#39;t yell at us I  really think this is just more cover  they&#39;re still waiting to see what&#39;s  actually going to happen I think if  everything That Remains the Same as it  is today let&#39;s say nothing changes  nothing happens this doesn&#39;t go anywhere  no new evidence you&#39;re not going to hear  a word about this it&#39;s just gonna die  off yeah this goes to trial that&#39;s a  different story if honestly I don&#39;t even  think it&#39;s going to make it that far but  it is New York it&#39;s a little like if  this happened in a different state  you know this would be a slam dunk not  going to trial New York&#39;s they&#39;re a  little harsher with with the you know  domestic abuse so we&#39;ll see I mean it&#39;ll  be interesting I I don&#39;t think you&#39;re  going to see anything happen anytime  soon but like if a cell phone video  comes out of him him beating him then  it&#39;s game over so so if you&#39;re saying if  they were in all of [ __ ] Bama and  they killed a good old boy there is no  way that this is not going to try it  right for that&#39;s this equivalent of this  yeah to be honest with you I don&#39;t even  think this goes to trial yeah it can&#39;t  it can&#39;t go to trial if you don&#39;t have a  uh well we&#39;ll say a victim or someone  alleging something to begin with and yes  he did he did make the 9-1-1 call but  you know how Disney is guys it&#39;s it&#39;s  it&#39;s a very very mindful liberal company  and they want to protect themselves say  they don&#39;t fire him and something else  happens which you never know could and  do I feel bad for the guy if it&#39;s not  his fault yeah absolutely but we all  know this is how Disney functions man we  it was it was how they functioned but  now that they&#39;re losing money is it  still how they function so that&#39;s going  to be what&#39;s interesting this is a big  play right here that&#39;s a big play and  it&#39;s going to be it&#39;s going to be crazy  to see what they&#39;re gonna do with it  honestly I don&#39;t I don&#39;t think he goes  anywhere if you don&#39;t hear any more  about it I agree with Matt and who knows  who knows what goes on behind the scenes  with Disney they could be they could  have been looking to out this guy before  it happened he could have had problems  maybe more creative references and  they&#39;re like oh now we got our option to  get rid of this guy we we don&#39;t we don&#39;t  know but what what do you think Mickey  well yeah I mean like Jay was saying you  know you think not that Majors his case  is at this level yet but like if you  compare Ezra Miller it seems like Warner  Brothers is willing to like stick with  it versus like Johnny Depp Pirates of  the Caribbean Disney brand it was like  all right get this guy out like as soon  as the the thing came out so Disney I  think does have a shorter leash probably  when it comes to this type of stuff  which is crazy which I&#39;m not to  interrupt you I&#39;m sorry but yeah which  is crazy which is crazy to me because of  Johnny Depp and how big Johnny [ __ ]  Depp is yeah okay that that that&#39;s an  enormous enormous and he he is that  franchise no matter how you no matter  how you cut it he is that Pirates of the  Caribbean franchise and they&#39;re  [ __ ] for what they did to him well  and go ahead Mickey You&#39;re I&#39;ll let you  finish because I&#39;m probably gonna say  what I was going to say well go ahead go  ahead no no it just and my last little  point will be I think it&#39;ll be  interesting because they probably need  to make the decision by Loki right like  when we get a Loki trailer will he be in  it you know just said in the chat will  he be in it we&#39;ll know then we&#39;ll know  before then yeah yeah that&#39;s a good  point but is but I mean you guys brought  up  um Johnny Depp and just take it a step  further is he the reason why they won&#39;t  jump the gun this time because they  clearly [ __ ] up with him they fired  him and and crossed themselves a billion  dollars because that&#39;s what that movie  would have brought the next one it would  have brought a million dollars a billion  dollars and they cost themselves that  because they just jumped the gun yeah I  mean clearly there was some stuff there  but all of the allegation as to really  why they fired him all turned out to as  far as we could see in court were false  and listen my dog my dog stepped on a  Beat  what listen at the end of the day  Disney doesn&#39;t give a [ __ ] about any of  these actors they don&#39;t give a [ __ ]  about fighting that&#39;s true if this guy  continues to do what he&#39;s doing he&#39;s out  they they have no lawyer none of these  companies have loyalty to anybody so  don&#39;t don&#39;t be surprised all they see is  dollar signs it&#39;s just like they really  do have oh sorry I was just gonna say  and they really do have the easiest  creative out compared to any of these  other actors and all that stuff for sure  yeah sure  it this is a tough one though this isn&#39;t  like an actor like that nobody knows or  an actor on his way like kind of in the  Twilight of his career this is a this is  an actor that is literally breaking out  in front of our eyes yep true right so  like this is  this is Disney&#39;s not gonna just wave a  magic wand at this one like they have to  be sure  because of what happened with Depp  what&#39;s happening with their bottom line  the fact that the [ __ ] whole entire  Saga is based around this guy this  [ __ ] guy based on what&#39;s happening  with Ezra Miller like  they are this is literally on the their  top of their desk every single day  trying to figure out what&#39;s the best  move they&#39;re not gonna just they&#39;re not  gonna just say [ __ ] it and we&#39;ll deal  with the consequences either way they&#39;re  definitely not going to dismiss him  lightly I&#39;m not saying that they&#39;re  definitely not going to dismiss them but  this isn&#39;t just like you know what let&#39;s  save face get rid of this guy and  whatever it is it is like they can&#39;t  afford to do that right now they are not  in the position to be able to do that  yeah because think think of all the  other stuff that comes along with that  toys right  yeah merchandise yeah his likeness and  all that exactly it&#39;s it&#39;s this this guy  was set to this guy was said to be the  next biggest [ __ ] actor dude yeah she  still might be yeah he still might be  but you know it&#39;s it&#39;s Disney&#39;s viewers  and their perception of someone which is  which isn&#39;t fair to him and just like it  wasn&#39;t fair to Johnny Depp but listen I  I have no faith in Disney and you guys  know that who watch this channel so wait  is it sorry jay no no go ahead if you  guys are Robert Iger what would you do  assuming like you&#39;ve heard  different things and you you&#39;re just  you&#39;re clearly you don&#39;t know but what  would you do right now innocent until  proven guilty that&#39;s that&#39;s my opinion  that&#39;s how it used to be right yeah  that&#39;s the law isn&#39;t it no it is the law  but can they wait that long with all  this hinder teetering on it  I&#39;ll go to jail on this Mr I am the Lord  I don&#39;t know that&#39;s tough that&#39;s that&#39;s  a really Jay makes a really good point  because if they wait too long if you go  too far down the rabbit hole  I mean right now is the perfect time  because if you didn&#39;t see Ant-Man  spoiler alert three two one John the  majors character we don&#39;t know what  happened to him maybe he died maybe he  did it maybe got sucked back into a  different realm we have no [ __ ] clue  but they could easily say  he went away and it changed the face of  every Kang variant I mean it&#39;s literally  built into being the decision being made  right [ __ ] now and that&#39;s what makes  that&#39;s the problem with the easiest out  they have the easiest out they always do  they had it before problems like this  with the Multiverse oh this is [ __ ] up  let&#39;s just blame it on the Multiverse  that&#39;s a lost my interest you know what  I mean give me a character and let him  stick around from this universe don&#39;t  give me all these other guys and  multiple oh [ __ ]  a supreme love I got I gotta I gotta I  know I know just said something too a  supreme love yeah he&#39;s saying the  projections are low but we&#39;ll see Mike  Tyson for Kang all day  it&#39;s in the Multiverse  I gotta follow him I gotta follow him  through the through the strategy  all right guys I think we&#39;re gonna wrap  it up you guys have anything else to add  before we get out of here  everybody what do you got going tell us  you know I&#39;m Mickey I know your your  Kickstarter just wrapped up yeah you  just wrapped up with the kickstarter uh  give us a quick uh how did it go how was  the experience yeah it was great uh you  know last time I was on the show you  know you guys helped me out and got the  word out which I really really  appreciate and we we hit our goal and so  you know there&#39;s no turning back now now  I gotta deliver and so I&#39;m working on  that so it&#39;s it&#39;s really exciting and  and yeah I can&#39;t wait to  to get the book out to everybody so and  you want to you want to officially uh  tell the people where you&#39;re gonna be in  the next couple of months  uh well tomorrow I&#39;m going to be going  to uh a what what not auction right the  principal defect what not one oh look at  that I&#39;ll be there right and then uh  yeah I&#39;ll be at uh I&#39;ll be going to  terrificon I think hopefully we all get  to meet up in person for the very first  time so that&#39;s that&#39;s definitely  yeah I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s gonna be  good for you but  okay start taking your milk thistle now  everybody buy stock in uh in uh  Pedialyte I&#39;ll tell you that I love the  rose comment I think Standalone films by  Marvel and DC are the way to go  so do I dude it&#39;s like a reading a  One-Shot comic and you could do  everything doesn&#39;t have to be  intertwined I don&#39;t understand why they  get this concept that every I I get why  they do it a standalone movie dude would  be awesome like I&#39;d rather uh uh and not  from Disney I&#39;m not gonna say Disney but  I&#39;d rather a standalone Punisher movie  I&#39;d rather a standalone Daredevil movie  like movies used to be then everything  tied in and then you got to worry about  this and that so great but but do they  have to be absolutely Standalone I mean  the model that worked in phase one two  and three I mean those movies while they  were intertwined they didn&#39;t necessarily  feel like it until the end and if and if  there was it was like one single point  of the movie yeah that only a hand only  a certain percentage of the audience  actually understood that there was a  connection  that model worked it was proven right I  mean they were putting the Avengers  together to fight you know basically a  common phone damn it Thanos in The  Infinity Gauntlet but it worked but it&#39;s  not working now it&#39;s not well I I feel  like they&#39;ve amped it up  and right past the point of where it  worked I mean why not a standalone movie  every once in a while agree you know  what I agree I mean still in the same  universe there&#39;s still going to be that  connection no matter what but like why  you don&#39;t have to make it be like where  does this fit in like you just said like  a standalone Punisher yeah it doesn&#39;t  necessarily have to fit into what  they&#39;re doing right now I would  definitely like to see that I feel like  they probably should have done that was  just the Standalone thing and then throw  in the hey there&#39;s cap Shield Easter egg  you know yeah in The Shield building  that they walk into you know Chad Chad  makes a good point he said the single  greatest thing done in cinematic history  there&#39;s 23 movies culminating with the  last two it was epic and would probably  never be done again and that&#39;s the  problem so we&#39;re trying to looking like  it yeah they&#39;re trying they&#39;re trying to  yeah yeah they&#39;re trying to do it you&#39;re  trying to recreate  awesomeness like and you know what maybe  you can and DC does it look at Batman  you just get a Batman movie you know  what I&#39;m saying that&#39;s totally separate  from everything else that&#39;s it just  don&#39;t leave celestials in the ocean I  think that&#39;s something you know just  just  like have smaller scale third act fights  oh yeah seriously listen this is this is  see like we&#39;re getting into a topic now  another topic that we could talk about  for hours and hours and hours but  hopefully in two weeks we have good news  well it would be yeah it would be two  shows from now that maybe maybe  Guardians changes things a little bit  we&#39;ll see we&#39;ll see we&#39;ll talk about  that next Monday but uh I think we&#39;re  gonna get out of here this was a really  great show Mickey swag I really  appreciate you number one loaning us or  giving us the the starter fluid to get  to continue this conversation that you  started uh make sure you guys are you  subbed up the swag make sure you&#39;re  watching his videos the link is in the  description and I really appreciate you  coming on here with us yeah thank you so  much for having me on it was a lot of  fun  Jay guy appreciate you boys as always  see you guys tomorrow night see you in  the chat if you&#39;re 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